No vaccine please

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I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

smiley here fucking here. Stay at home mums sitting about doing ‘research’ on google. Crack on, love.

Of this is anything to go by a vaccine s a long way off....

If this is anything to go by, it isn’t www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-03-27-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-programme-opens-clinical-trial-recruitment

They're mass producing the vaccine ahead of testing so that if it's found to be safe once it's tested they can get it our quickly. Bill Gates made a huge donation for this very reason.

That’s correct @ MintyMabel. It’s called research

They actually said on sky news today that they have started to mass produce it before the testing has been completed to speed up how quickly they can get it out.

Yes. But the crucial point is,mit won't be used until, and unless, all the testing has been done and passed. It's a streamlining process. If the testing fails, then this early production have wasted millions of dollars (bill gates' maybe) . If the tests are all passed, it will be ready and save millions of lives. It's doing these stages concurrently, for half a dozen or so different vaccines,in the clear knowledge that some of them will fail, that may accelerate the process. It's risking money not lives.

PuzzledObserver I think a fair amount of the worries relate to the cases of Narcolepsy, rather than Guillain Barre, caused by one of the brands of Swine Flu vaccine that was rushed out - and later withdrawn because of this issue - back when Swine Flu reared it’s head.

The problem was that the number of cases was small enough that they didn’t become visible during initial trials, but did become apparent during mass vaccination. It’s that kind of thing people worry about.

DH and I had swine flu vaccine as did all our DCs when it emerged.
We’ve had boosters since with annual flu vaccine.

The current vaccine will be fully tested before being released. Priority does not mean skipping safety testing and requirements. It just means skipping to head of line for scientific tests and study reviews needed for approval to produce.

I’m vulnerable. Last I looked it was a 6.5% death rate for my age and health conditions. So I’ll be one of first to be offered vaccine and will accept it.

I think the OP is being a bit silly, trusting sources like Buzzfeed but not the WHO. To if severe reaction to swine flue vaccine was 2 in a million, that is still much better odds than the 2 in a thousand die from COVID for the under 40 age group. It’s like choosing to take your chances with a sabre tooth tiger instead of a pole cat.

Yes true. I guess I can sit back and see how it affects those groups first.

You sound way too pleased with the prospect of the vulnerable being your guinea pigs.

Not pleased at all. How about we pity the mice that trial these things before we do. Seems the public are ok with that

I agree, Lockdowneaster It's likely covid 19 is here to stay, coming in seasonal peaks as flu does and that vulnerable groups will be vaccinated. It's entirely possible that the virus will mutate and cause much milder symptoms over time although there will always
be groups vulnerable to even a mild infection.

The reason children are now immunised against flu is 2 fold; to prevent them having a nasty illness and to prevent them passing it to at risk groups.

It's important that scaremongering about a covid 19 vaccine doesn't prevent parents from vaccinating children (should it be offered) or themselves.

You only have to look at the misinformation around the MMR and autism to see how quickly fear can take hold. We are now starting to see the disastrous impact of that media storm. Horrific mass outbreaks of dangerous diseases, particularly measles which was previously eradicated from the UK.

Smiley
“Horrific mass outbreaks of dangerous diseases, particularly measles which was previously eradicated from the UK.”

Very true, even now measles kills over 700,000 people every year, mostly children. That is a lot of needless death.

"I think it was man made and perhaps some plan behind it" I hear this a lot, but no one ever elaborates any further. What sort of plan do you think?

You aren't very smart, are you OP?

The vaccine isn’t being rushed. It will go through the EXACT same process as any other vaccine. It’s just that all the resources of the state are being pushed into the process unlike say the malaria vaccine for which there are little resources or little interest. The actual process will be EXACTLY the same.

@Freddiefox- I don’t know. I/we have never experienced such disruption/restriction. It feels like I’m in a movie right now. It makes me suspicious

GreytExpectation neither are u

It's not either/or. Both are vile.

If you refuse the vaccine, do us all a favour and move to an island. You don't have the right to pass the virus on to vulnerable people through stupidity.

It’s just that all the resources of the state

The resources of many states, plus philanthropists.

Interesting posting style.

I would defend anybodies right to refuse medical treatment and vaccination.

However I would also defend my children's right to attend school safely. I would expect vaccination to be a school condition.

I would expect a choice not to vaccinate to be taken into account in furlough payments and benefits. In other words, if you choose not to vaccinate and then self isolate, you would relinquish your right to such benefits.

So go for it. Refuse treatment. Just don't expect that choice to be subsidised by tax payers.

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But every year not everyone has the flu vaccine yet thousands of people die from influenza. I bet half of u on here haven’t had flu vaccine.

I think it was man made and perhaps some plan behind it. I’m not big on believing conspiracy theory’s but there is something dodgy about this virus and how it was all exposed etc therefore I raised an eyebrow to the vaccine

Oh you're one of those..... nuff said.

I’m a tax payer too. No furlough payments or benefits here.

Day 30 of COVID19 here. Just spent the last 10 hours with my throat, eyes, stomach and lungs burning whilst struggling to breathe. If you want to "build up your immune system" with this be my guest you poor, sad fool.

I don’t know. I/we have never experienced such disruption/restriction. It feels like I’m in a movie right now. It makes me suspicious

Ok, well it’s always good to questions things, particularly where the GOV are involved, and I’ll be truthful and say there are cases of vaccine damage but statistically you would be a lot safer having the vaccine (after tests) than not. So it’s a case of maths and going with the lower risk which is always the vaccine.

God, at this point I'm willing to be the test subject.