8 million in UK may require hospitalization - DM front page

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....The (secret NHS briefing document) shows that health chiefs expect the virus to last for another 12 months, and details how it will impact key staff in the NHS, police and fire brigade. It says: 'As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.'

Assuming true, can we now call time on this sick Tory experiment with people’s lives and shut down the country properly like should have happened last week? (If not earlier)

Sounds about right tbh. We know 15% of those who get it will need oxygen (and 5% will need more treatment than that). I imagine they already knew that would happen. I think the plan is to try and delay the spread so that it's not 8 million all needing help at once. Problem with shutting down the country is that we're not going to be able to do it for long enough to eradicate the virus so it'll just spread again whenever lockdown ends. Even if we did manage to lock down for long enough, when we opened the borders to international travel again we'd just see more cases emerge and have to repeat the whole thing.

How long do we lock down for? A year??

As long as it takes.

Not at all surprised, and so what if it would just reappear after a lock down? Do you want the 8million rammed into the NHS all at once or spread out over 2 years?

The evidence clearly shows that the better a health service can cope the lower the death rate will be. That's why Germany which has one of the highest amount of ICU beds is doing so well.

Germany has closed 90% of schools.

As long as it takes.

Someone clearly doesn't need to work

The NHS can not cope with 80,000 in 12 months, never mind 8 million.
This governments “strategy” is national suicide on a literally unprecedented scale.

Assuming true, can we now call time on this sick Tory experiment with people’s lives and shut down the country properly like should have happened last week? (If not earlier)

How will this get rid of the virus?

This governments “strategy” is national suicide on a literally unprecedented scale.

No it isn’t. It’s a virus. People will die, sad though that is.

They might "require" it. They won't all "get" it.

As long as it takes

Which will be how long?

What about the deaths through malnutrition caused by poverty and suicides that will result from lockdown for an unspecified period?

Did we fight the nazis for 6 weeks, and then decide to give up?

@MigginsMrs

It won't get rid of the virus, but it will save a lot of lives.

Did we fight the nazis for 6 weeks, and then decide to give up?

What’s that got to do with anything?

Tighten your belts for fuck sake. The government puts in place emergency measures. What do you think people did between 1939-45? No? Ok fuck it then, let’s see how the NHS comes up with 8 million beds by the end of the year.

Spoiler alert: The NHS would collapse with 80,000 hospitalised left alone 8 million

It won't get rid of the virus, but it will save a lot of lives.

Will it? What about the likely second peak that will happen in locked down countries when the lockdown comes to an end?

Between 1939 and 1945 people got the fuck on with it because the alternative was the country starving.

We're going to get on with it.

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised,
a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

an estimated 500,000 of the 5 million people deemed vital because they work “in essential services and critical infrastructure”
will be off sick at any one time during a month-long peak of the epidemic.
The 5 million include 1m NHS staff and 1.5 million in social care.
....
From now on only the very seriously ill who are already in hospital and people in care homes and prisons where the coronavirus has been detected will get tested.

Testing services are under such strain that even NHS staff will not be swabbed,

As many lives are at risk due to this virus as were lost in WW2. Why should we expect to make less of an effort? I would fight bears to protect my family, cross deserts, and swim oceans. Why would I not stay inside for a few months?

Page 1 and Godwin’s law already achieved!

This place is absolutely insane. Utter, utter madness.

Even when “we” defeated the Nazis people weren’t confined to their houses for an unspecified period. My Gran lived in occupied Belgium and still had a job, social life etc. You can’t expect life to grind to a halt for an unspecified period. There comes a point it’s just not worth it. No one wants people to die but it’s inevitable. Maybe this is our lesson we’re not immune from horrible illnesses that kill lots of people that millions of people round the world have to deal with, with no one here giving 2 fucks.

More people die of ischemic heart disease than CV.

Obesity and alcoholism now mean 50% of the population will get cancer.

The NHS is buckling under the strain of treating people who won't stop eating excessive amounts, pouring alcohol down their throats and refusing to exercise.

The usual defending of people who are a size 20+ as not wanting to be body shamed starts on here.

I don't see people making some effort to deal with entirely fixable problems and expect the nhs to pick up the tab.

Something that kills far less than ischemic heart disease or obesity and alcohol related deaths and people are screaming for the right to stay at home

Fucking do it. You don't have to wait for the govt to tell you

That is a worst case scenario, NOT the likeliest. But why let the truth get in the way of a little opportunity for some scaremongering, eh?

As long as it takes.

Are you oblivious to the effect this would have on the economy and people’s lives? Do you realise how many more people would die if we shut down for months and months?