Why has MSM not reported on the condition of the Israeli hostages?

[ConscientiousObserver]

Pictures showing their terrible state are all over SM.

Why is there nothing in MSM about how starved these young men are who have been held hostage by demonic terrorists in unimaginable conditions for almost TWO YEARS?

This has absolutely disgusted me.

Headlines about Palestinian starvation in Gaza with the only visible evidence of that being sick children who’s medical condition would have contributed to their appearance, but real visible evidence of starvation among the Israeli hostages held by the Palestinians is totally ignored?

I think it would be nice to talk about hostages without someone saying “But what about Gaza!”. Try it the other way around and you get called a baby killer.

Which other totalitarian regime made Jews dig their own graves. Within living memory.

Hamas are achieving their objective of demolishing Israel's standing in the world, and Netanyahu is their puppy dog.

'Gammony anger' - I don't know whether the OP is Jewish, but that is a disgustingly anti-semitic way to label a person's concern for a Jewish man.

I sincerely hope MNHQ keep your post up, so that others can see your true colours.

I keep reading this accusation that the Israeli government doesn’t care about the hostages, doesn’t want them back, refused Hamas’ generous offer to take them back just a few days after Oct 7th even (as if they kidnapped all those people including babies for absolutely nothing).

I can only assume it’s to counter the clear evidence and words out of their own mouths that the elected Gazan government doesn’t care about its own citizens and in fact wants them to die or because Israel hasn’t ceded to Hamas demands.

It’s such utter bullshit. How many more convicted terrorist murderers are Israel to release? Should Israel have done a deal that compromises security for millions of Israelis? Should they have not retaliated to Oct 7th? How are they to find the hostages when they are split up and held in civilian homes/under tunnels and Hamas has said they will execute them if a rescue mission is attempted?

Hamas has been able to hide hostages for years prior to Oct 7th.

Although I do think a rescue mission needs to be attempted now, high risk as it will be. More soldiers and civilians die everyday this war goes on. They need to get the hostages out, get civilians out (with force if necessary) and finish those evil fuckers for good. The global community who have utterly betrayed Israel can get fucked.

I understand your point, but in this case, talking about Gaza is entirely relevant.

Gaza is starving because Israel has blocked aid from getting in. This has been well documented by independent sources. Within that context, it is hardly surprising that the hostages are starving alongside the Palestinian people. The terrorists that captured them are hardly going to prioritise their captives when food is scarce for everyone.

That doesn't make the images any less shocking or distressing. It doesn't make the suffering of the hostages or their families and friends any less awful. But it does mean that we need to recognise the role of the Israeli government, as well as Hamas, in creating and perpetuating that suffering.

I don’t see it as relevant at all when talking about hostages. And vice versa.

There is aid in Gaza, the UN haven’t distributed it. And how come Egypt doesn’t get a kicking for not opening their high security borders to take in aid?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I wept many tears after the October 7th massacres, and I absolutely feel for the hostages and their families. I genuinely have no wish to diminished their suffering by changing the subject to talk about the suffering of the people of Gaza

However, I think it's impossible to talk about hostages starving without referring to the wider famine in Gaza which has been created by Israel. They are both part of one and the same problem. And the Israeli government is a big part of that problem, even though many will still choose to deny it.

There's no famine in Gaza. The hostages aren't being starved from a lack of food. Hamas are withholding food from them.

What is your evidence for there being no famine in Gaza? I'm sorry, but I think you're in denial.

A famine hasn't been declared. On the brink of famine is what's usually said...but they've been saying that for over a year now.

I can't do links but there's an official definition of famine and criteria which must be reached before a famine is declared.

I think people need to understand that blocking aid is a common tactic in war. We did it to Germany for example. It’s what happens when someone starts a war with you.

I also never heard calls for Ukraine to deliver aid to Russia etc.

Nevertheless, aid IS getting into Gaza, via Israel, not Egypt. Not sure Israel can dictate what the UN do with the aid once it’s in.

Correct. Three things have to happen:

1. Food consumption per person has to fall below a certain level
2. Evidence of acute malnutrition
3. Evidence of deaths caused by hunger

The first two have been met for some time. The third is only a matter of time according to the UN.

So I'm not incorrect when I say a famine has not been declared

How do you know there is no famine in Gaza?

Are you in Gaza? Have you recently been there?

I am more inclined to believe the UN workers who are there than some random person on the internet with no actual reliable information.

Has famine been declared?

A technicality. There are people clearly suffering from malnutrition which means deaths are only a matter of time. Then it will be an official famine.

Why isn’t the UN distributing it?

What about the previous male hostages who were released in a terrible condition in February who were deliberately starved by Hamas?

Blaming Israel denying aid for this hostage being starved doesn’t explain the previous hostages being starved, nor does it explain why Hamas had him digging his own grave.

Hamas are terrorists and people should not seek to explain away or excuse their behaviour.

Let’s not forget that when other female hostages were released in relatively good physical condition (at around the same time as these male hostages) people were using it to say how lovely Hamas are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9vyz747eo

There are starving, emaciated hostages in Gaza, as Hamas proudly shows the world. There may well be starving, emaciated babies in Gaza, but why is it that we never see images of starving, emaciated Hamas fighters? If Hamas truly cared for the Palestinians, they would ensure that aid reached the hungry.

It suits Hamas's purposes to actively starve the most vulnerable people in Gaza, and then blame Israel.

This. Both are heinous. Netanyahu just doesn’t care about those poor, poor families and their loved ones.

It’s Hamas torturing and brutalising Evyatar David.

What do you think should happen. Should the demands of Hamas be carried out? Would you say yes to this?

Hamas - a proscribed terror group in the US, UK and EU - said in its statement that it could not yield its right to "resistance and its weapons" unless an "independent, fully sovereign Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital" was established.

It is absolutely right to say that Hamas are the ones torturing and brutalising Evyatar David and the other hostages. What Hamas has done is abhorrent and unforgivable, no question.

But the lack of food in Gaza at the moment - which is affecting both the Palestinian people and the hostages - is the result of the Israeli government's actions. Acknowledging that does not minimise the terrible crimes that have been committed by Hamas, it merely acknowledges that the Israeli government is also contributing to the suffering.

Hamas have food. Do you agree with this?

ETA I’ll come back to the rest in a mo.

Yes, Hamas probably do have food for themselves...at least for the higher ranking ones amongst them. But there is not enough food for the population of Gaza as a whole. And if food is scarce, I would not imagine that terrorists without any moral compass will be prioritising anyone but themselves.

Personally, I don't expect terrorists to be compassionate or responsible. They don't give a shit about the hostages or the Palestinian people as far as I can see.

The fact remains that Israel is blocking food getting in, and everyone except Hamas will struggle to eat as a result.