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Israeli air strike on the European hospital has killed and injured so many!

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Whatsinanamehey · 13/05/2025 20:52

This is absolutely devastating, so many killed and injured in a hospital!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jvx3yjg3o

A group of Palestinians stand by a large crater

Israeli air strike on hospital kills 28 people in Gaza, civil defence says

Israel's military said it was targeting a Hamas command centre which it said was beneath the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jvx3yjg3o

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dairydebris · 14/05/2025 14:02

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:44

The attacks which the Israeli authorities were warned about up to a year prior to them occurring, and a week before they took place, by Egypt. The Israeli authorities dismissed the threat. Why did they happen then?

Because they didn't take the threat seriously enough, there were many failures of communication between various Israeli parties, and Israel didn't believe Hamas capable of mounting such an attack.
All huge errors that I hope one day someone will have to be held accountable for.

Unless you were trying to imply something else?

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:03

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 13:41

I think it's pretty obvious that many people do expect Israel to provide food and water, medical supplies etc based on the outrage shown about the fact that aid is currently being blocked.
I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the issue. Israel is blocking aid supplied by other countries and ngos getting access to Gaza. Trucks with humanitarian aid are sitting on the border not allowed in. Israel has control of the borders and therefore the power to starve a population and is doing so. This is a war crime. People want an end to the blockade of aid which is completely within Israel's power to do.

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I know that 🤷🏼‍♀️

It may be donated by other countries but it’s still up to Israel whether they allow it into Gaza or not isn’t it? So they can either provide it or block it & unfortunately they are choosing to block it.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:06

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:42

It's only a war if the other side fight back. This is genocidal punishment for the 7th October attacks.

What would have happened to Israel if they didn’t fight back after October 7th attack do you think?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:22

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:03

I know that 🤷🏼‍♀️

It may be donated by other countries but it’s still up to Israel whether they allow it into Gaza or not isn’t it? So they can either provide it or block it & unfortunately they are choosing to block it.

Well then I'm unsure what your point is. I don't think anyone expects Israel to provide it just allow access and safe distribution. Not sure why you have the idea that people do expect Israel to provide it

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:30

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 13:00

Every one of those 22 children could still be alive if Hamas would surrender and give themselves up.

A lot of wide-eyed naivety as always on this thread about the terribleness of war.

I also missed the outrage post with everyone calling the uk evil for the war crimes commited by the SAS in Afghanistan, including "unarmed Afghans killed in cold blood".

War is hell.

Hamas need to surrender- I think time is running out before the Palestinians have no hope left at all.

Yes Hamas need to surrender but I don't share your certainty that the people of Gaza would be any safer once they do.

War is hell
It is but there are international laws to limit the impact on civilians so it is even more hellish when these are ignored and humanitarian aid is blocked as a form of collective punishment

A lot of wide-eyed naivety
For wanting an end to the suffering, starvation, war crimes and genocide intent? How cynical of you

Whatsinanamehey · 14/05/2025 15:07

Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war. I would think more people would be horrified and not try to minimise little children being starved. Netanyahu had turned Israel into a pariah state.

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Odras · 14/05/2025 15:17

BreezyBertha · 13/05/2025 21:42

Just about every other government says ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ but Israel are expected to, although the negotiations were probably only a tool
to get as many hostages back as possible. I don’t know how many other governments would.

They say that but they actually do usually through a middle man. Off the top of my head I can think of the UK and Columbia. In these cases it was to end seemingly never ending conflict.

BelleHathor · 14/05/2025 15:31

In the last few weeks America negotiated with both the Houthis and Hamas both designated in the US as terrorist groups.

Also here is Trump with the current leader of Syria, a known Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra terrorist responsible for killing many people including Americans earlier today.

The empire talks to and negotiates with whomever forwards it's goals.

Israeli air strike on the European hospital has killed and injured so many!
Odras · 14/05/2025 15:37

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 13:00

Every one of those 22 children could still be alive if Hamas would surrender and give themselves up.

A lot of wide-eyed naivety as always on this thread about the terribleness of war.

I also missed the outrage post with everyone calling the uk evil for the war crimes commited by the SAS in Afghanistan, including "unarmed Afghans killed in cold blood".

War is hell.

Hamas need to surrender- I think time is running out before the Palestinians have no hope left at all.

Did you really miss the pressure that lead to the Afghanistan enquiry? If unarmed Afghans were killed and this was covered up! I think that is evil do you not? That’s a war crime and so is this.

The defeat of Hamas is now only one goal for Isreal. They also want to expand military control over Gaza and displace the population. So even if Hamas we’re to step down (and there are other militant groups that could arise in it’s place anyway) there is little reason to think now it would end the war.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 16:35

Ynet News: US was not informed, Gaza hospital targeted in strike: Behind the assassination attempt on Mohammed Sinwar.

Israel did not notify the United States ahead of the assassination attempt on Mohammed Sinwar in Khan Younis, a source familiar with the matter revealed to Ynet on Tuesday evening. According to the source, the operation was the result of a "sudden opportunity," leaving no time to inform the Americans or consider the fact that the strike coincided with President Donald Trump’s speech in Saudi Arabia.

The source clarified that Sinwar's death has not yet been confirmed, but noted that "at the moment, it looks promising—and if he was there, it is hard to believe he survived because it was a very aggressive strike."

The decision to target Sinwar was made shortly before the operation, with the aircraft deployed in a rapid and compact timeframe. Officials in Israel estimate that it may take some time to determine the results of the strike with certainty, potentially a few days.

Mohammed Sinwar, brother of slain Hamas mastermind Yahya Sinwar, had been leading Hamas’ military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, in Gaza since the assassination of Mohammed Deif. Following the elimination of his brother Yahya Sinwar in Rafah, he also became involved in managing broader operations in Gaza. Known for his extremist stance and as a significant figure in Hamas leadership, Mohammed Sinwar often posed a barrier to negotiations between Israel and Hamas. If he was indeed killed, this could impact ongoing talks, potentially strengthening the position of Hamas's external leadership, which is seen as more inclined toward reaching agreements.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkqhawbwex

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 16:47

From the same article:

A security source emphasized that the forces confirmed there were no hostages in the facility prior to the strike. Based on Israeli intelligence, several senior Hamas figures were present at the site that was bombed. According to Palestinian reports, the attack resulted in seven fatalities and 30 injuries.

The joint IDF and Shin Bet statement asserted: "The terrorist organization Hamas continues to use hospitals in the Gaza Strip for terrorist purposes, cynically and cruelly exploiting the civilian population inside and around the hospital. Prior to and during the strike, measures were taken to minimize the risk to civilians, including the use of precise munitions, aerial surveillance, and additional intelligence information. IDF and Shin Bet will continue to act forcefully against the Hamas terrorist organization and eliminate any threats to the citizens of the State of Israel."

Sounds like the Israel military got a tip off. Hamas security leaking like a colander, to paraphrase Ted in Line of Duty.

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 17:21

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:06

What would have happened to Israel if they didn’t fight back after October 7th attack do you think?

Thousands of people wouldn't have died in horrific circumstances?

Perhaps Israel would have learned to listen to threats in the future? It's called defence and most countries are prepared to defend their country. It doesn't have to lead to genocide though.

We know what Israel want and they're achieving it. Why do people need to be here defending it? You're getting what you want. Be happy 🙂

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 18:08

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 17:21

Thousands of people wouldn't have died in horrific circumstances?

Perhaps Israel would have learned to listen to threats in the future? It's called defence and most countries are prepared to defend their country. It doesn't have to lead to genocide though.

We know what Israel want and they're achieving it. Why do people need to be here defending it? You're getting what you want. Be happy 🙂

Thousands of people would still have died if Israel hadn’t retaliated, it would just have been different people.

Hamas wouldn’t have left it there if Israel had not retaliated, they would have felt empowered to do it again as per their stated goals.

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:41

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 18:08

Thousands of people would still have died if Israel hadn’t retaliated, it would just have been different people.

Hamas wouldn’t have left it there if Israel had not retaliated, they would have felt empowered to do it again as per their stated goals.

Do Hamas usually manage to kill thousands of Israelis? Prior to what took place in the October? I was given to believe that they don't usually manage many fatalities and that Israel are equipped with the best surveillance and defence measures in the world.

MissyB1 · 14/05/2025 18:43

BreezyBertha · 13/05/2025 21:42

Just about every other government says ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ but Israel are expected to, although the negotiations were probably only a tool
to get as many hostages back as possible. I don’t know how many other governments would.

You never heard of the Good Friday agreement then.....

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:50

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

So, it seems as though not many Israelis have been killed by the Palestinians since 2008.

The current death toll is yet to be determined for the current conflict.

It seems that israel are successful in defending themselves against Hamas.

Infographic: The Human Cost Of The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

This chart shows Israeli & Palestinian deaths/injuries documented by the UN in Gaza and the West Bank.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/?__sso_cookie_checker=failed

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:52

The current conflict would not have resulted in thousands of Israeli deaths if the killings in Gaza were not taking place.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 18:53

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:41

Do Hamas usually manage to kill thousands of Israelis? Prior to what took place in the October? I was given to believe that they don't usually manage many fatalities and that Israel are equipped with the best surveillance and defence measures in the world.

I don’t know what they achieved (in their terms) prior to October 7th. But they did manage to get past Israel’s defences on that occasion so no doubt they would have felt emboldened if there had been no retaliation. As would their allies like Iran who are stronger militarily than Hamas.

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 18:53

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:41

Do Hamas usually manage to kill thousands of Israelis? Prior to what took place in the October? I was given to believe that they don't usually manage many fatalities and that Israel are equipped with the best surveillance and defence measures in the world.

So was there an acceptable number of Jews killed that you'd agree to? I mean, is 10 ok? Are they allowed to retaliate if it's 50? 100?

You'd prefer if they just sit there quietly and accept as there's not 'many' being killed?

Jfc.

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:58

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smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 18:59

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 18:53

So was there an acceptable number of Jews killed that you'd agree to? I mean, is 10 ok? Are they allowed to retaliate if it's 50? 100?

You'd prefer if they just sit there quietly and accept as there's not 'many' being killed?

Jfc.

In a war, of course each side can expect to be killed by the other. That's what happens in a war.

quantumbutterfly · 14/05/2025 19:00

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.....and the women who were raped, mutilated and slaughtered? Should they have been more modestly dressed?

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 19:01

Oh and Iran are a joke. All mouth and trousers, as my grandmother used to say.

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 19:03

quantumbutterfly · 14/05/2025 19:00

.....and the women who were raped, mutilated and slaughtered? Should they have been more modestly dressed?

I don't respond to appeals to emotional descriptions of things. I think logically and it's usual to accept that enemies do these things just as IDF soldiers rape and torture.

quantumbutterfly · 14/05/2025 19:06

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 19:03

I don't respond to appeals to emotional descriptions of things. I think logically and it's usual to accept that enemies do these things just as IDF soldiers rape and torture.

C'est la guerre?