To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen in over 20 years? (thread 2)

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel has been found to be committing genocide in Gaza by legal teams from the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel has deliberately attacked MSF ambulances and clinics and the World Central Kitchen killing overseas volunteers including a British army vet.
See Amnesty video explaining below

Jewish-American Dr. Mark Perlmutter on what he saw in Gaza and why he believes it's deliberate genocide (warning - heart breaking)
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ia9sa0iuwHw

On average one child is being killed every 45minutes. Over 100 were killed 18th and 19th March alone. There has been a total blockade preventing entry of food or medicine since the start of March.

Israel is an apartheid state according to the ICJ, UN, B'Tselem, Yesh Din, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch.

The British government is supporting Israel in this genocide with military recon flights and arms. Our government did not stop supporting White Apartheid South Africa until it was forced to by British people's outrage, and by the global boycott. It is time to do the same again to show that we do not accept genocide and that we really do stand by the values of international humanitarian law.

Where is the photo documentation proving the deliberate targeting you speak of then? Not in that video.

Rachel Corrie deliberately laid down in front of a bulldozer! That was just about the dumbest thing I’d ever heard and if I was her mother, I would be absolutely furious at her for her insane disregard for her own life and for what?

Suicidal empathy is a very dangerous thing.

There are dead children with Israeli bullets in them is that proof enough. Also the Irish surgeon was on a humanitarian mission - he has no reason to make stuff up. I tend to believe independent surgeons who dedicate their lives to saving other people’s lives over a regime that has a death count of well over 50,000. There have been countless reports from independent people from around the world documenting the war crimes. Find me an account of ANY international doctor based in Gaza that verifies Israel’s innocence. Israel has blocked journalists and camera crews from going into Gaza!

In the case of the 15 dead paramedics and buried vehicles one of the paramedics was on a call to a colleague asking for help when the IDF arrived on the scene.

Quote from the Guardian - “He informed us that he was injured and requested assistance, and that another person was also injured,” Murad said. “A few minutes later, during the call, we heard the sound of Israeli soldiers arriving at the location, speaking in Hebrew. The conversation was about gathering the team, with statements like: ‘Gather them at the wall and bring some restraints to tie them.’ This indicated that a large number of the medical staff were still alive.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/31/israel-killed-15-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-one-by-one-says-un

No that is absolutely not proof enough. Just the fact you have stated that it is kind of proves my point.

Even the UK Parliamentary Report states that IDF weapons and munitions were stolen in the Oct 7th invasion. Do you really not think Hamas would use them on their own civilians to blame on Israel?

Israel has undoubtedly killed civilians and children in this war but a deliberate policy of targeting women and children? Pull the other one.

I never said a medic would make stuff up. They do rely on what they’re TOLD happened by the people who brought the injured in and will obviously repeat that.

We know that the only way Hamas (et al) had any way of being victorious in this war was by using SM and ‘testimonies’ to demonise Israel and manufacture global outrage and hatred towards Jewish people. They have been very successful.

Nope, still no evidence that the IDF deliberately targeted and killed 15 innocent ambulance men who were not terrorists in disguise. Not like Hamas has been documented as using ambulances to get around to evade the IDF is it?
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Israel absolutely have been targeting aid workers as we know from many instances. Women and children are dying in unprecedented numbers and they still have Gaza under seige. I don't know how anyone can support the slaughter of the Palestinians or excuse it.

Israel doesn't need Hamas to demonise them. They have demonised themselves through their brutality shown to the Palestinians both in Gaza and in the west bank.

If the Israeli government is losing public support both internally and worldwide, then they only have their own actions to blame.

So you don't believe the woman and child who said their family were fired on by the IDF in an Apache helicopter or are you claiming the Hamas have stolen helicopters too?

What about this medic who said he saw at least 3 of the bodies were bound.

Quote from The Irish Times “I was able to see three bodies when they were transferred to the Nasser hospital. They had bullets in their chest and head. They were executed. They had their hands tied,” he said. “They tied them so they were unable to move and then they killed them.”
He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.
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Another witness, an official from an international aid agency who took part in the recovery of remains from Rafah on Sunday, also said they saw evidence of one of the dead having been shot after being detained.
“I saw the bodies with my own eyes when we found them in the mass grave,” the witness, who did not want his name used for his own safety, said. “They had signs of multiple shots in the chest. One of them had legs tied. One was shot in the head. They were executed.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/04/02/palestinian-paramedics-shot-by-israeli-forces-had-hands-tied-eyewitnesses-say/

The UN has collected such a large amount of evidence that there is an international arrest warrant out for Netanyahu, photos, eye witness acounts and thousands of children's bodies riddled with Israeli bullets. There are even IDF soldiers that have broken rank and spoken about crimes committed by Israel. I suspect that no matter what evidence we presented you would call it a lie. You say your relative flew and operated an Apache Helicopter, did you serve in the IDF? Perhaps you could give us an account of things you have seen.

Israel has just announced they are stealing some land from Gaza, are we surprised?

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/04/02/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-war/

No, we are not. I suspect it was intended from the start of the war but now they have the manic Trump's support, it has just made it easier.

Sadly not at all, a land grab was always part of the plan. And of course Trump gave the green light.

No I want verified evidence of these alleged war crimes taking place.

Where are the videos of the Apaches attacking civilians?

Why are there no videos of the IDF actually carrying out all these atrocities when there are so many videos of the aftermath?

Absolutely I don’t believe a group of people who are:

• indoctrinated to want the annihilation of their neighbours and for their children to be martyrs for that cause,
• who elected a terrorist group with a mandate to kill Jews as their government,
• who have been carrying out terrorist and rocket attacks against their neighbours for decades,
• who carried out worst terrorist attack in the world on their neighbours,
• who take babies hostage, strangle them to death, mutilate their bodies, and with the support of all the Jew haters in the world, are emboldened to make a public, televised pantomime of handing over their broken bodies after holding them hostage for over a year,
• whose civilians hold their neighbour’s civilians hostage in their own homes and use them as slaves,
• who started a war they could only win by correctly banking on useful idiots with an agenda, and Jew haters, to lap up their propaganda.

Who’s the gullible one here?

I have seen nothing as there is nothing to see.

Why on earth would you ask if I’ve served in the IDF?

Do you think only Israelis have opinions similar to mine?

Bear in mind there’s lots of posts here stating that Israel lies about everything and no one believes them.

Some believe the atrocities of Oct 7th are a lie so if posters are offended by an alternative viewpoint, please explain why?

change the name of the country from Israel to the USA.

CrunchyKnees from what you have posted you clearly cannot distinguish the difference between individuals involved in combat and the millions of civilians caught in the middle. This is sadly why many Israelis justify the starvation and mass bombing of civilians and civilians infrastructure and shooting of children and aid workers. There certainly is verified evidence of IDF attacking civilians if you really want to see it which you clearly don’t. this is even with Israel attacking journalists and preventing press reporting.

Not at all. The problem is Hamas, their terrorist affiliates and their supporters, don’t distinguish themselves from civilians or protect civilians by carrying out their activities away from civilian areas.

Why do not Hamas not breakdown the number of operatives in the death tolls they produce? So far this war has ONLY killed civilians according to them. Mainly women and children of course, as it seems that the men must have all fled whenever the IDF carries out an operation.

I really would like to see verified evidence of the IDF targeting civilians yes.

Obviously I don’t want to see violence and death but I have questioned if I’m supporting the right side due to the quite shocking global minimisation of Oct 7th, immediate marches and protests condemning Israel from the beginning of the war, and the hostages STILL being held in Gaza.

Especially the silence of the UN on the Oct 7th atrocities, (occasionally wonder if I’m missing something!) including the gang rapes and the holding of young children hostage.

I am quite able to capable of changing my mind though as I have no loyalties either way.

Please link some actual evidence such as video showing the IDF targeting civilians, with the IDF clearly identifiable.

It amazes me why people don’t understand why the press are not allowed in Gaza tbh. It’s not as if they can be kept safe with terrorists running around among civilians (it’s not like normal conflict zones where they’d only be in certain areas) and with the standard of reporting so far it would hardly be unbiased, and may hamper, or put IDF soldiers in danger.

Who needs the press when we have Gazans live streaming it anyway. Lots of PRESS vests available there, They only have to put one on and hey presto, they’re a journalist!

To the poster asking why there is no video of the paramedics being detained and executed; they were in an area of Rafah from which all civilians had fled due to heavy Israeli attack. The ambulance was given the greenlight by the Israeli army to go retrieve wounded people - then found buried under sand with the handcuffed bodies of the paramedics next to it, shot dead. The ammunition Israelis use and Hamas use are completely different.
This is a genocide and those of you defending it sound just like the last defenders of Jim Crow laws and South African apartheid, one day these words and attitudes will be studied to understand "how did people let this happen?"

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

MSF: Why we won't accept the narrative of ‘regrettable incidents’ in Gaza
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The following remarks were made by Christopher Lockyear, Secretary General Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) International, to members of the press during a briefing on the war in Gaza, Palestine, on 4 April.
I want to extend my deepest condolences and those of the entire MSF family to the family, friends, and co-workers of the seven colleagues from the World Central Kitchen, who were brutally killed two days ago.
We, like many organisations, depended on them for feeding patients and staff. I personally saw our staff waiting for them to bring food before leaving work at the end of the day.
Since the beginning of the war, nearly 200 humanitarian workers have been killed, including five MSF staff. Many of these humanitarians were killed while providing care for patients or sheltering with their families.
We have been saying it for weeks now - this pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence.
It not only shows the failure of deconfliction measures; it shows the futility of these measures in a war fought with no rules. That these attacks on humanitarian workers are allowed to happen is a political choice. Israel faces no political cost. Instead, its allies enable this brutality with impunity, and provide even more weapons that maim and kill civilians indiscriminately.
The number of aid workers killed in Gaza is extraordinary, yet it is but a fraction of the total number of people killed so far. Now, nearly 33,000 men, women and children.
What happened to World Central Kitchen, to us, to humanitarian workers across Gaza, to Al-Shifa hospital and the pulverising of the health system when it is needed most – this all demonstrates the near daily undermining and manipulation of International Humanitarian Law.
This war is brutal. This war is disproportionate. This war is without precaution.
It also demonstrates the flagrant disregard of the ruling on the prevention of genocide from the International Court of Justice on 26 January and again two months later on 28 March.
We expect more. We expect more than excuses from Israel, and we expect more than condemnations from Israel’s allies...

We don't accept the narrative of ‘regrettable incidents’.
We do not accept it, because what has happened to World Central Kitchen, and MSF’s convoys and shelters, is part of the same pattern of deliberate attacks on humanitarians, health workers, journalists, UN personnel, schools, and homes.
This is not just about implementing an effective deconfliction mechanism – our movements and locations are shared, coordinated and identified already.
This is about impunity, a total disregard for the laws of war, and now it must become about accountability.
I was personally promised an investigation into a convoy of ours that was attacked in November. I have had no response. I have since filed a dossier of further incidents – I am still waiting for a reply. We will not let this go.
We expect more. We expect more than excuses from Israel, and we expect more than condemnations from Israel’s allies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjZ_XpbIDQ&pp=ygUSbXNmIHRlc3RpbW9ueSBnYXph

https://www.msf.org/why-we-wont-accept-narrative-regrettable-incidents-gaza

Why won't Hamas just free all the hostages, immediately? Then there would have to be a cease fire, as Israel have told the rest of the world that's all they want. Why are Hamas inviting the slaughter of their people by refusing to do so? My thoughts are that the remaining hostages are either dead or been victims of horrific torture which if it comes out will destroy any last bits of sympathy the West holds for Gaza.

Israel has been shown to have repeatedly bombed or shelled UN compounds in Gaza and Lebanon, UN vehicles, MSF buildings and ambulances, and of course they bombed BOTH World Central Kitchen cars, one after another, as they travelled along a pre-approved route authorised by the Israeli army ten minutes prior, with huge WCK logos on their roofs. They killed 9 foreign aid workers including a former British soldier. "Western-leaning" ""moral army" my aunt Fanny

Yep, this is why it doesn’t make sense.

Israel needs support. They are a tiny state of just over 9 million people surrounded by much larger hostile states.

It’s as if they have a conscious policy of invoking anger against their own country, turning the whole world against them, deliberately wrecking their economy and making their citizens global pariahs and targets for antisemitism?

I would have thought Netanyahu would be more concerned about being hunted down and convicted and jailed for war crimes including murder, genocide and deliberate starvation by a international court, rather than being convicted of accepting champagne and cigars for favours in an Israeli court, wouldn’t you?

This is the ridiculous postulation of why Netanyahu won’t accept Hamas’s ceasefire deal to release thousands of Palestinians terrorists and leave them to carry on terrorising Israel according to many!

I mean at least try to make it make sense!

Why won't Israel release all the hostages it's holding? The 147 children held on administrative detention in Sept. 2023? The 400 children in Israeli jails in Sept. 2023 most of them charged with "stone-throwing"? They could have had all the hostages back Oct. 9th. Why is Israel choosing genocide over applying international law?
Hamas are a terrorist group. Ben Gvir is a convicted domestic terrorist in Israel and his entire party are insane Israeli religious extremists who want all Arabs dead or gone (these are the people voted in by Israel). Would you accept Hamas bombing the Israeli MoD in downtown Tel Aviv and flattening 50 buildings around it to get to Ben Gvir and his terrorist cronies? No? Strange that.

As for torture of hostages, none of them have come out in person describing torture as far as I am aware. Many hostages and survivors described seeing fellow hostages die due to Israeli army bombardment. Many describe their captors protecting them (because they need them as bargaining chips). Why would Hamas kill them? Like with the poor Bibas children, why would they keep soldier hostages alive but kill children? The whole point of taking hostages is to have leverage. It is an absolute war crime and I do not excuse it whatsoever, but it is a war crime Israel commits much much more frequently long before Oct. 7th

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/we-were-constantly-in-terror-israeli-hostage-tells-of-captivity-in-gaza
Hamas protected hostages with their own bodies

Young Israeli girl describing her time as a hostage. She faced vile death threats from Israelis for being nice about Hamas, in their words
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMfc1y59mM&t=35s&pp=ygUXV2UgcGxheWVkIGFybSB3cmVzdGxpbmc%3D

If Israel could have had all the hostages back on the 9th Oct, why did the Palestinians go to all the trouble of murdering, burning, raping and pillaging and also taking 251 hostages on the 7th then?

You don’t have an issue with teenagers throwing stones/rocks at armed troops then? Is this a cultural practice over there as it seems to be a thing? Kind of like mediaeval stonings?

Are the troops supposed to instinctively know it’s not an IED?

Surely Palestinian parents should teach their kids not to throw stones. They can cause injury or even be a distraction technique for terrorists.

Yasmin Porat, survivor from one of the kibbutz, describes how Israeli soldiers, instead of negotiating with the Hamas captors, shelled a small kibbutz house in it killing all 12 hostages including a 13 yr old girl, she was the only survivor. A UN investigation concluded that several of the 37 children killed on Oct 7th were killed by Israeli army fire (Hannibal directive). There were no "beheaded babies" or babies in ovens or any other such malicious false propaganda, Israeli media reported that was a lie 3 weeks after Oct. 7th but our media never corrected it.

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Noa Argamani testimony how her fellow hostages were killed by Israeli air strikes. There is more testimony where she describes how awful her situation was, due to scarcity of food and water (because, of course, the Gazans themselves had no food and water during this time). No beatings, no rape, no torture. She, like many of the hostages, is an Israeli soldier.