To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen in over 20 years? (thread 2)

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel has been found to be committing genocide in Gaza by legal teams from the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel has deliberately attacked MSF ambulances and clinics and the World Central Kitchen killing overseas volunteers including a British army vet.
See Amnesty video explaining below

Jewish-American Dr. Mark Perlmutter on what he saw in Gaza and why he believes it's deliberate genocide (warning - heart breaking)
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ia9sa0iuwHw

On average one child is being killed every 45minutes. Over 100 were killed 18th and 19th March alone. There has been a total blockade preventing entry of food or medicine since the start of March.

Israel is an apartheid state according to the ICJ, UN, B'Tselem, Yesh Din, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch.

The British government is supporting Israel in this genocide with military recon flights and arms. Our government did not stop supporting White Apartheid South Africa until it was forced to by British people's outrage, and by the global boycott. It is time to do the same again to show that we do not accept genocide and that we really do stand by the values of international humanitarian law.

Also, that’s tantamount to killing tens of thousands of children and saying “oops”.

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You really, truly believe this??!! I'm sitting here in shock at the naivety. How do you sleep.at night?

44 % voted the OP is being unreasonable. I feel sick.

The thread was started in March - hopefully opinions have started to change since then

Its the only small shred of comfort I can take

I don't see any hamas supporters here, nice try.

For what it's worth, everyone was rightly horrified after the events of 7/10. Governments of the world supported the government of Israel against hamas terrorists, and international action was seen to be done.

The reason the world are so vocal now, against Israel, is because Israel took the revenge too far, beyond what is humanly acceptable. We can't abide or tolerate babies and innocent people being killed in revenge for what terrorists did. Our Governments were still supporting Israel in their actions. Meanwhile our pensions continue to be invested in Israeli arms and we continue to be sold Israeli good in the shop, our sportspeople and artists are expected to work alongside those representing a country which is now behaving as a terrorist.

THAT is the difference. Israel had our support. They definitely don't anymore.

organised voting. Opinion polls have been consistent for a long time. Mind you, anything goes on mumsnet these days

Actually several international doctors have said that many of the kids brought into them had been shot by snipers with precision in the head and heart. Trained snipers from an elite army hit multiple CHILDREN exactly in their heads and their hearts. I don’t think you can get more deliberate than that.

The Israeli government and the IDF are child murderers, the lowest of the low, complete scum. The quotes coming from Israeli government officials about clearing Gaza of Palestinians and occupying it show the type of people they are - sociopaths with no regard for human life. A magical man in the sky told me that this land is mine so I am going to murder kids to get it. Inhuman, cold, heartless, murderers.

What can we honestly do though? It's terrible that innocent people are being killed - but what can we actually do? Nothing. We've intervened in conflicts before that realistically have absolutely nothing to do with us & all that's happened is we have incited more hatred for the UK in those countries we have tried to help. I absolutely wish there was a ceasefire & a truce called - but I am also not naive. I feel so sorry for children in conflicts all over the world, children brutalised in the Congo, Afghani girls who are repressed beyond belief, the poor children in Gaza but as a country we can't realistically do anything to solve all of the worlds problems.

The UK can stop selling them arms and the military can stop assisting them - why was a UK military aircraft flying over Gaza the other week! They can freeze government officials assets, they can stop importing goods from Israel. There are lots of things that can be done.

Easy: the UK should stop supplying arms and other military support to Israel.
on a personal level you can write to your MP
you can use the boycat app
you can donate to MAP
you can join a protest

It’s not 50,000 civilians though. Half of them are terrorists.
Historically the civilian to military death rates in a war are 10 to 1.
The war in Gaza is 1 to 1. Still terrible. Not a genocide.
Israel is doing everything it can to destroy Hamas with minimal civilian casualties. Hamas don’t wear uniforms, they hide in and under hospitals, in amongst civilians. They use normal Palestinians as human shields. If they cared for their people, they would have released the prisoners, secured the aid convoys, negotiated a cease fire. But no, they perpetuate their people’s suffering. Absolute scum of the earth.
Israel needs to let the aid convoys in under protection of an independent force backed by America, and continue the war against Hamas.

You must live in Israel or read exclusively Israeli media as the figures given by the UK and EU media are vastly different to those you have quoted. Over 70% of those killed are women and children - many of the men killed include ambulance drivers, paramedics, surgeons, journalists, UN workers and a host of other professions. Not all men in Gaza are terrorists - children are definitely not terrorists. You really need to cite the sources of your figures as it reads like you have just plucked them from the air. Your post is classic DARVO - Deny, Attack, Reverse victim and offender. It just cites Israeli propaganda which utilises DARVO to deflect blame and responsibility for their war crimes.

No, this is very different. The UK is funding and supplying Israel, along with the US and Germany. What the UK can do is stop supplying arms, stop the reconnaissance flights over Gaza on behalf of Israel, stop putting diplomatic pressure on the ICJ and ICC to stop them from doing their jobs and holding Israel to account, and start speaking truthfully about the evidence of Israel's war crimes (which our FCO warned our govt about in Dec 2023).
The UK govt is NOT an innocent bystander in this, it is arming and supporting this genocide and has been called out for this by Oxfam, UN, Save the Children, Amnesty, etc etc.
What we need to do is show our elected representatives that this is completely unacceptable to us and against British values.

And another terrorist attack today at a Jewish museum by a Palestinian supporter.
Jews murdered for the sole reason they are Jewish.
When do you ever hear of lone Jewish terrorists?

When enough time has passed that the propaganda has worn off, I hope you’re able to find peace with how you supported the murder of so many people. History shows us that when population-scale atrocities have happened those that supported the killing did so because of misinformation and fear. I hope there is healing in your future.

It is awful that couple were murdered, truly horrible. However, I don’t think you can blame the starving Palestinians on a different continent for the actions of a man in American just as we cannot blame Israel for the actions of Joseph Czuba who murdered a 6 year old Palestinian American child. Murder is wrong but bringing in the actions of a lone nutter in America does not strengthen your arguments on why Israel’s genocide is just.

There have been countless jewish terrorists, there have been countless muslim terrorists, christian terrorists, Irish, British, American, Israeli etc… No religion or ethnicity is inherently good or bad, you get good people and bad people in every country. Saying jewish people are never terrorists is just ridiculous (also makes me think you need to read more widely) - you are not better than me because of your religion, muslim people are not more likely to be terrorists because of their religion. The word terrorism itself is used as a weapon - Israel murder around 20,000 kids and that is “war” but if a member of the IDF is shot that is terrorism. When settlers kill people going about their day in the West Bank is that terrorism or what would you class it?

Do you mean lies like babies being beheaded and put in ovens? Oh hang on a minute…that was Israel who said that on Oct 7th while they took hours to even turn up wasn’t it?

And still it won’t stop what Israel are doing 😢

When do you hear of lone Jewish terrorists? Have you visited the occupied West Bank lately?

You mean, like Yigal Amir who assassinated Israeli PM Yitzak Rabin because he made a semi-just offer of peace to the Palestinians?
Or Baruk Goldstein (a DOCTOR) who walked into a mosque and slaughtered in Ramadan and slaughtered 29 Muslims as they kneeled in prayer?
Or Ariel Sharon, who the UN found directly responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacres? (AFTER that, he was democratically elected PM of Israel).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

Or this Israeli captain who shot a 13 yr old schoolgirl at close range, then walked up to her as she lay on the floor wounded and emptied his rifle into her at point blank range. His own soldiers testified she was obviously not a threat but he was acquitted.
He's a terrorist, and so are the entire judiciary that acquitted him.

Or the insane religious extremist Israelis who burned this toddler and his father alive (BEFORE OCT 7th) as they slept in their beds then daubed the star of David at the scene of the attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/08/saad-dawabsheh-dies-father-palestinian-toddler-killed-west-bank-arson-attack-dies

When little Ali's grandfather attended the court hearing against the attackers, Israeli settlers outside chanted "where's Ali?? Ali's on the barbeque". The live video's on YouTube.

Only one settler went to jail for that. At Israeli settler weddings, they hold up photos of the toddler and slap it with shoes. I mean seriously psychotic behavio
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Here are the fucking psychos in action, jeering at photos of the 18 month old they burned alive in his bed, at a freaking wedding celebration.

Source: Ha'aretz, an Israeli newspaper

But you are right, we never hear about Jewish extremists and terrorism. Not because it's not happening but because it doesn't suit the narrative. Worth mentioning, the current editor of the BBC's middle East section is a former Israeli soldier. Funny that.

Of course those with a longer memory will fondly recall Israel's 6th PM Menachem Begin.
As leader of the Irgun, he kidnapped and hanged three British soldiers, booby-trapping their bodies so the rescuing soldiers were also wounded (the Sergeants' Affair).
And he bombed the King David hotel killing 90 British off-duty personnel and civilians.

When Churchill called an emergency meeting to address "terrorism in Palestine" he was talking about Jewish extremists the Irgun and Haganah, who founded modern terrorist techniques in the Middle East and who openly used human shields (Google, "On Human Shields", Prof.Neve Gordon)