Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

[pandasorous]

just going to leave this here....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

if you have nothing compassionate to say, feel free to move on and not comment on this thread. feel sick to my stomach

Sorry what do you mean?

@ExitChasedByCars

re:
^ScrollingLeaves · Today 00:59
Unless the 76 percent against him, whom Ami Ayalon mentioned, rebel? Do you think there is any chance?^

I was referring to what Ami Ayalon said in the interview below, posted by AhNowTed which I had just watched.

I was writing what I did by memory so may have been wrong about the exact percentage, but from what he had said, I had the idea that a huge proportion of Israelis are against him at the moment. So I was hoping they would insist on getting him out.

Even Daniel Hagari thinks what is happening now is aimless.

“AhNowTed · Yesterday 22:46
Fascinating interview with Ami Ayalon, former head of Shin Bet, the Israeli security service.”
“A rational man.”
x.com/amanpour/status/1805295431355973645?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

I meant to say, “a huge proportion of Israelis are against Netanyahu”.

Exactly. No idea why people suggest their actions are resistance.

Obviously that poster had not been drinking. Their post is perfectly clear, and logical if you read the whole context they described.

You just disagreed with them.

Livelovebehappy · Today 00:23
“Had Hamas attacked military or government buildings, there might have been some understanding globally”

Hamas did attack military outposts and bases on Oct 7th as well as the festival and kibbutz homes.

“Israel's military said at 10 a.m. that Palestinian fighters had penetrated at least three military installations around the frontier - the Erez border crossing, the Zikim base and the Gaza division headquarters at Reim. It said fighting at Erez and Zikim continued.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-attack-israel-unfolded-2023-10-07/

Many Israelis lost their lives defending these military installations. One was even completely overrun and turned into a Hamas base for short time. Why would you want to forget about these victims?

Rape is a war crime, that Hamas has done during this conflict and per a UN report, so have the IDF.

You can’t distill the entirety of the Palestinian cause for statehood to one type of war crime conducted by a terrorist group of less than 0.5% of Palestinians. Yes, rape is not resistance.

Just like we cannot distill the entirety of the IDF defending Israel to that same one type of war crime either. Yes rape isn’t defending yourselves.

Rape is a war crime, but it’s not the entire war or the reason for the war.

He was reading a poll which said:

76% believe Netanyahu should resign immediately
65% demand elections immediately

However a quick google of Israeli polls and I'm not sure it's all that clear

Of course wouldn't forget about those victims. But my point being that by doing what they did, hamas targeting a group of people who had had no part in what had been happening between the military, played into the hands of Israel, because the outcome was that the world were shocked and disgusted and firmly came down on the side of Israel.

Indeed. I firmly believe that the world is still firmly on the side of Israel (average person on the street opinion) but a very powerful Pro-Palestinian propaganda fight is being fought on social media and perpetuated by The Guardian and the BBC for obvious reasons.

I feel desperately sad for the innocent souls in Gaza and pray for a swift peace.

@keenforhelp

“Indeed. I firmly believe that the world is still firmly on the side of Israel (average person on the street opinion) but a very powerful Pro-Palestinian propaganda fight is being fought on social media and perpetuated by The Guardian and the BBC for obvious reasons.”

That’s interesting. I feel the exact opposite.

My opinion is Israel has completely wasted the moral high ground it initially occupied.

And now the “person on the street” has woken up to the grotesque injustice Palestinians have been living under for 70-odd years.

Despite a powerful pro-Israeli propaganda machine, in terms of influence in the US via AIPAC, and similar monied lobby groups in the UK, backed up by an 80% right wing press and their owners, eg the Mail, Telegraph, Times etc.

Yougov did update and at least in the
uk that’s the case

Britons are most likely to say they sympathise more with the Palestinian side, at 29%, while 16% say they sympathise more with the Israelis. A further 23% say they sympathise with both sides equally, and 31% are not sure.

Your wishful thinking .

Yougov!

Pinch of salt!

I see yougov has a six month tracker and support for Israel has actually dropped quite alot.
I personally don't feel this attitude is towards the people of Israel but due to the actions of their government.

What is Israel's Administrative Detention?

Sorry don't know if this has been mentioned, but this is not the case at all. Israel hold detainees under 'administrative detention', with no charges, under the supposition that they might commit a crime in the future. The rest of the world most certainly does not work like this. Detainees can be held for decades, with no charge and they might not even hear a charge until they appear in court. That charge can change numerous times, with no evidence necessary.

You say pro-Palestinian propaganda, what does that actually mean? Also, @keenforhelp, it’s not so obvious to me so care to explain what you mean by “perpetuated by The Guardian and the BBC for obvious reasons”? What are the obvious reasons? Because it’s not obvious to me.

People who support the plights of innocent Palestinians is not the same as propaganda. Showing a map of the WCK workers being targeted is not the same as propaganda. So I’m curious to see what you actually call propaganda?

And now, days later, the IDF has admitted the man, Abadi, they tied to the jeep was not a suspected militant. They knew he was a civilian caught in the crossfire from Day 1:

”The army initially said Abadi was a suspected militant, but later acknowledged he had not posed a threat to Israeli forces and was caught in crossfire with militants.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-military-investigating-incident-where-palestinian-man-was-shot-beaten-and-tied-to-an-army-jeep

It is an extremely scary space to live in when the army and police force are the ones to fear

As said, he was used as a human shield. To prevent the IDF jeep from coming under fire during the altercation, they tied the wounded Palestinian man to the jeep. Palestinians have been used as human shields by the IDF for decades. It's really not a new practice, just one that people seem to gloss over.

These are testimonies of soldiers who admit to using Palestinians as human shields

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/?ci=143

I wonder will any of the posters here who were so dismissive of this event, suggesting he was a terrorist, laughing at those of us who said that he was being used as a human shield, or even suggesting that the IDF were doing him a favour, will revise their earlier comments?

Of course not. But they probably will say the video is Hamas propaganda or but Hamas but Hamas or justify it in some way.

Yes, however, based on the initial reports stating he was a suspected militant, a few posters called him a terrorist and said he should be grateful he wasn’t treated worse.

Yes, when it comes to the Palestinians, the MO seems to be guilty, unless proven innocent.
And also shoot first, ask questions later.