WTAF - Israeli settlers targeting Gaza beach front properties

[AdamRyan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

Properly shocked by the brazenness of this. The Israeli government need to come down hard on people like this 😮

I wonder how many brits have illegal holiday homes out there, it should not be allowed

@HeidiInTheBigCity In an ideal world, all of this. Of course no one should really be having to do mental gymnastics about how they call her out. The reality, however, is that this is not how fighting prejudice works.

The moment they start equating this woman to every Jewish grandma out there, talking about her cake, popcorn and the dining room as a backdrop to her murderous conversations it’s game over. It becomes more likely that other people are going to be abused because of her. You can shout that rationally it is unreasonable to blame other people for her actions until you are blue in the face, it will not stop this from happening.

This is just a sidenote though. I do agree with OP’s point but they are never going to do that because as we’ve seen in the last month, they themselves are stealing more land and approving settlements.

But how is this NOT saying "the potential harm that might come to a hypothetical grandma is as important - if not more so - than the actual harm done by that actual grandma (who just so happens to be, basically, a vile, hardline fascist)?"

Personally, I'd rather deal with the hassle of potentially having to rally support for innocent hypothetical grandma [which is something I have power over and experience with] than let actual fascist grandma off the hook in case she accidentally paints someone innocent in a bad light [which, in any case, is on her, not on me]!

@HeidiInTheBigCity We are going to have to agree to disagree. It doesn’t even need saying that in terms of harm caused there is no comparison. That does not give the media license to be thoughtless.

If articles like this were the only way to explore the damage that these individuals are causing then you would have a point. However, this is not the case. As an example, focusing on the impact this is having on Palestinian communities would imo be more impactful than what is essentially a profile on this “shocking” (but not really, because tens of thousands of people have died and over 1 million are deliberately at risk of famine so obviously there are people who think like this who wield considerable power) woman. There is a clear difference in approach between the BBC article on the FT one. Both talk about her, neither lets her off the hook, but the latter I think does so in a more responsible way.

Message deleted for saying the obvious truth.

If the BBC hadn't published this story I would have had no idea the illegal settling was so blatant. I'd be quite likely to think it was anti-Israel smears, or at best that I couldn't judge.
I trust the BBC not to have reported this if it wasn't true. Not showing this doesn't help. What would help would be the Israeli government making it clear by its words and actions that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable. As I think (?) the ICJ asked them to.
She's so brazen that I can only think she's completely confident that her actions are not a problem.

@AdamRyan they are never going to. The ICJ made it clear years ago that they were illegal and the UN has passed several resolutions over decades addressing this. There is near enough unanimous agreement about the settlements in the international community, and yet for decades Israel has continued to argue that they’re not illegal.

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I think I watched a Louis Theroux on this woman about a decade ago. She's a comedy character.

I find it so telling that people wheel this out.

The fact is, Hamas, who started the war have been very clear on their intention: kill all the Jew, conquer Israel and indeed set up home on it's beaches.

That's a pretty clear statement of intent, followed through with all their actions - from committing 7/10 to arresting their own citizens for attempting peace talks with Israelis.

What this ridiculous woman thinks isn't really relevant - it's never been Israeli policy to take over Gaza. They removed themselves voluntarily from Gaza. I'd imagine though, after 18 years of Hamas they are pretty sick of their nonsense now.

So Israel is sick of Hamas’ nonsense after just 18 years.
How do you suppose Palestinians feel after decades of Israel’s nonsense?

The woman is a comedy character? You find her funny?

I think “comedy character “ suggested that no one in Israel takes her seriously . She is not representative of Israelis and shouldn’t be treated as if she is.

And the other point, that after 18 years Israel is sick of Hamas, after subjugating Palestinians for decades?

This vociferous Israeli woman’s views aside, what do you think about
the all the illegal Israeli settling in the West Bank?

What do you think about Smotrich’s views? He is part of the present government.

31 Dec 2023
“Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has called for Palestinian residents of Gaza to leave the besieged enclave, making way for the Israelis who could “make the desert bloom”.
Smotrich, who has been excluded from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet and discussions of day-after arrangements in Gaza, made the comments while speaking to Israeli Army Radio on Sunday”.

“What needs to be done in the Gaza Strip is to encourage emigration,” he said.

Ben-Givr also part of the Israeli Government January 2024:

Israel’s National Security Minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, has again called for the “Occupation of the Gaza Strip” and the emigration of its Palestinians from the besieged Territory, as the Occupation state’s authorities and war cabinet continue to debate the future of Gaza after the ongoing war.

In an interview with Israel’s Channel 13, Ben-Gvir – leader of the far-right Jewish Power (Otzma Yehudit) party – criticised the progress of Israel’s war on the Gaza Strip and urged for more to be done to “bring about a resolution”. He stated that the Israeli forces themselves “are doing an excellent job”, but that the ruling coalition and cabinet “must give them support to resolve it”.

The resolution Ben-Gvir referred to was clarified when he further stated that “Gaza must be occupied. Stay inside it and encourage the voluntary migration of its residents. If we win the war, it will be practically accomplished”.

………….by slaughtering thousands and razing their homes and infrastructure to the ground?

I think after October 7th everyone should be “sick of “ Hamas .