Rafah civilians to be moved

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Thoughts? Keeping in mind most Palestinians don’t want to move as they’ll lose their right to return I can’t see them going willingly.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/national/24183833.palestinians-directed-safe-islands-ahead-rafah-offensive---israel/

They will not be going back - things are looking beyond bleak for the Palestinians.

Israel will bomb the ‘safe islands’ like they have bombed everything else, including hospitals and refugee camps. They make me sick.

We were commenting on this on another thread. I would be extremely concerned that they are proposing to move them out of Gaza I have no confidence in them ever letting them back in. I hope the international community step in and don't allow this as an option

I just don't understand how this is being allowed to happen. I doubt they'll be let back in which would be heartbreaking for them.

It’s just horrible. I presume this thread will also be deleted. I’m stunned the leading news outlets aren’t making a bigger deal of this story. I feel that if this is allowed to happen they’ll be stuck on these islands and forgotten like so many other forgotten people (camps in the sahara, islands in the pacific etc).

'We're going to bomb the north, move to the middle'
'We're going to bomb the middle, move to the south'
'We're going to bomb the south, move to the middle'

It was headline news on Irish radio but you're right very little reporting on it anywhere else, hopefully it's just one of many options being discussed

From what I can gather the Irish government stance is pro Palestinian v the UK government stance which is Pro Israeli and without a doubt that affects how the news is reported in the UK.

They won't have right of return nor will they be granted asylum anywhere, over time they'll just disappear, most western countries seem to be content with that and Israel will continue down its spiral and go further and further right wing, I don't think the people of those western countries will forget anytime soon, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming US and UK elections

Sadly yes, this

That is a depressing prediction I hope you're wrong and the good people of this world will start to stand up as opposed to do nothing

I'm sorry, i feel I've become quite cynical of the world with all of the double standards and hierarchy to life that people have been proudly shouting about, I really hope I'm wrong too

Sorry but I don't think you are. I saw an interview with Biden a few days ago where he was asked about the Rafah invasion. He said it was a red line but then immediately said he would never abandon Israel, so not a red line at all.

If the US won't stop supporting the genocide then no one will.

Israel appear to be preparing to invade Lebanon, I think the only hope for Gaza is that the IDF is stretched too thinly to continue it's murderous assault in Gaza.

It is sickening. I can’t watch the news as it’s a genocide occurring right before our very eyes whilst the world turns a blind eye.

He said it was a red line but then immediately said he would never abandon Israel, so not a red line at all.
Really disappointed with Biden on this, after all his support for Northern Ireland during the Brexit negotiations standing up for the smaller nation he seems to leave those values behind with this

If the US won't stop supporting the genocide then no one will.
As it is election year and there is a sizable vocal majority of Americans looking for a ceasefire, particularly young voters, I wonder whether he will have to cave in on that. Anyone know what Trumps position is (I hate to think his position on this is of any importance yet here we are)

“We need to make sure that 1.4 million people or at least a significant amount of the 1.4 million will move. Where? To humanitarian islands that we will create with the international community,”
Yay! So we get to pay for it all too!

If I'm honest I'm starting to think we are all being played by the US, I don't think they give a shit about civilian casualties. The port and aid corridor was apparently Netanyahu's idea not the US, and we all know he would like to empty Gaza so why are the US claiming credit for this initiative.

The Colonial Outcasts podcast is hosted by former US military personnel, they don't understand why the port is going to take 2 months to build. The US military has the skills and equipment to construct an emergency pier very quickly. Why is something more substantial, which will take longer to construct, being favoured over a temporary, emergency arrangement when people are starving and time is of the essence?

Biden was also caught on a hot mic saying he was going to have "a come to jesus conversation with Netanyahu", I think that was staged. The US is pretending to try to reign Bibi in but only because it's affecting Biden's polling.

Trump sanctioned Israel moving the capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem but he is a populist so perhaps he is more susceptible to public pressure than Biden who is ideologically driven.

We all know "safe islands" are complete bullshit. The Rafah ground offensive is just going to result in thousands more people dying. And Hamas will still exist.

Anyone know what Trumps position is (I hate to think his position on this is of any importance yet here we are)...

It's relevant, as Trump now has the delegates to qualify as the Republican nominee for the US Presidential race later this year.

Trump has said that the Hamas "invasion" of Israel could have been a avoided by a stronger US foreign and military policy (presenting a greater deterrent), but now that it has happened Israel must eliminate Hamas completely, as quickly as possible. He declined to say whether he thinks a ceasefire would interfere with this goal, but I suspect that he would be hesitant to support one on the grounds that it would allow Hamas time to regroup. He has also said that if he wins the Presidency, he will blanket bar "residents of Gaza" from entering the USA (via Executive Order). More here.

If people are boycotting Biden because of his support for Israel they're almost certainly going to have to boycott Trump unless he does one of his trademark U-turns, which is possible but seems unlikely on this issue. So there's the potential for unpredictable impacts on voting patterns if enough people are influenced to either switch to a third party - the Libertarians seems to have a muddled complicated position but oppose US taxpayers funding the war, and the Greens have called for an immediate ceasefire and suspension of all US military aid until that happens - or stay home (not vote).

it is apparently widely known that the ultraright in Israeli govt are waiting for trump to come in to really go all out

I was listening to someone from the world food programme who said the port is pointless as there is far more aid literally sitting at the border. he was talking about women who are 8/9 months pregnant and no access to food.

the truth is that Israel are destroying Palestinians by emboldening the far right. by the time the war ends, they would have consolidated their power base within Israel and it will be too late. its an act of self sabotage. not to mention the societal effects of traumatised young soldiers who were complicit or witness horrific crimes against humanity.