Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

I can't get past having countries not in europe being in Eurovision. Does this happen with other competitions, can England enter a team in the African Cup of Nations, Can Martians enter Miss World or do they get restricted to Miss Universe?

And your problem is what? They changed the song so it it the trans singer but or just the fact that music and entertainment overrides politics?

I'm sorry the entire citizenry of Israel isn't constantly crying and cowering in shame like you think they deserve to be.

Do you really have NO idea of the significance and links to those names?

She is of course not responsible for what Israel is doing to Palestinians now. Of course not. But she, in interviews, has made it clear she supports them- unlike 1000s of Israeli Jews in Israel and all around the world. If she support what is going on, especially as the ESC will coincide with the bombing and total destruction of the part of Palestine where Palestinians were told to flee to be safe- then how can anyone stand by and support her?

I don’t think it matters what they sing or who sings it. No country should be involved in something as frivolous as Eurovision at the same time as killing innocent people, especially one that’s not even in Europe .

I thought you meant switch off entirely and not want to watch at all - ie boycott it.

The country is not killing people, the IDF and Govt are operating in Gaza tor remove Hamas battalions.

I meant watch, and switch off when she comes on.

Thik about artists and sports men and women during the Apartheid regime in South Africa. Were they responsible for Apartheid? Possibly not, and yet many were part of, and supported that regime, and no coloured or blacks were allowed to partake.

Interesting question- what if Israel was represented at the Contest by a Palestinian singer?

The country is not killing people

They have managed to kill about 25,000 women and children so far, and thousands upon thousands more are maimed or rotting under rubble.

Oh for heaven's sake. That is her original name.

How can I steal be allowed to keep changing their song? Surely that's against the rules?

*Israel

Can you link to that? As a Russian, this is not likely. But even then

on June 5, 1967. Israeli forces captured the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank of the Jordan River, Old City of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. The status of these occupied territories subsequently became a major point of contention between the two sides.

But that’s politics. That’s not music. If Eurovision should stay off politics then it should for everyone.

your initial sentence was “It's not a political event - it's a music festival! Keep politics out of it!”

your second sentence is

“No because they invaded a country without provocation.

Israel are attempting to dismantle a terrorist organisation”

whixh to me it’s politics

so according to you should Eurovision be about music festival or not

But that’s politics isn’t it ? Shouldn’t we be voting depending on her musical performance ?

It is entirely unrealistic to expect the entirety of a country's citizens to be in mourning for 7 months and counting. Many Israelis have lost family, friends, and neighbours to the Gaza conflict. They are mourning their own, but their lives must go on as best they can. Going to restaurants and partaking in entertainment competitions is part of that. And the country in question has a coalition government, so the vast majority of the population did not elect Netanyahu and his cronies; holding the population responsible for the actions of an extremist group is akin to holding Palestinian children responsible for the actions of Hamas.

Regardless of whether or not you agree with the Israeli government's reaction to Hamas' terrorist attack, the citizens of either side are innocent and should not be held in such contempt.

She has a comman Israeli surname that happens to also be the name of a place. Between this and the OP pretending that she's trans some people really are desperate to find reasons to hate this woman.

It's absolutely astounding that people would even suggest Israel withdraw their entry. Israeli civilians have nothing to do with the conflict in Gaza, why is that so hard to grasp? I saw her on tv last night - she is just a young woman about to perform to a world stage and excited about having the musical night of her life. Nothing more, nothing less. I also watched a segment on the UKs entry, olly, and was equally dismayed that he has been subject to extreme pressure to withdraw.

russian civilians have nothing to do with the conflict in Ukraine ,
why was Russia then removed from Eurovision if this is about music and not politics.

no coloured
This is an highly offensive term to anyone of colour. This includes my husband and friends.

I have no idea, you'd have to ask. But the point remains, it's a music competition, let people have some fun.

So why can’t Russian people have fun?

In the UK, people often have a surname which is also a place name because their ancestors lived in that place when people started using surnames.

Is it the same here, that her family are likely to be from Golan at some point in the past?

Please refer to the thread title - this is about Israel and the Eurovision. Would you like to say something about that?

I believe they e been made to change the name (to Hurricane) and some of the lyrics now. Not sure what them being trans has to do with anything but I agree the song choice is in very poor taste