Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

[Redebs]

Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Gloating about the massacre of children. have you read the lyrics of the song? Where is the gloating? and i think this is before the change

[Verse 1]
Those that write history
Stand with me
Look into my eyes and see
People go away but never say goodbye

[Verse 2]
Someone stole the moon tonight
Took my light
Everything is black and white
Who’s the fool who told you
Boys don’t cry

[Pre-Chorus]
Hours and hours and flowers
Life is no game for the cowards
Why does time go wild
Every day I’m losing my mind
Holding on in this mysterious ride

[Chorus]
Dancing in the storm
We got nothing to hide
Take me home
And leave the world behind
And I promise you that never again
I’m still wet from this October rain
October rain

[Verse 3]
Living in a fantasy
Ecstasy
Everything’s meant to be
We shall pass but love will never die

[Pre-Chorus]
Hours and hours and flowers
Life is no game for the cowards
Why does time go wild
Every day I’m loosing my mind
Holding on in this mysterious ride

[Chorus]
Dancing in the storm
We got nothing to hide
Take me home
And leave the world behind
And I promise you that never again
I’m still wet from this October rain
October rain
October rain

No, you wanted to whip up outrage and thought pretending she's a transwoman would help you do that.

And still not sure why her surname is in quotes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68505050

hopefully some European countries will pull out of the competition and those that attend make references to Palestine (I.e the clothes with the Palestinian flag)

Yes will be interesting to see how they are received by the crowd. I think it is hilarious that the Eurovision claim not to be political it has always been about politics whether they wanted it to or not. All that block political voting especially back in the 80s

@Redebs

What do you meant by "We were subjected to a man in a dress a few years back calling himself a translation of 'Miss Sausage"

Subjected to?

What is this thread really about?

Is she singing in Hebrew or English for the contest? I've heard the song in both.

Taking the politics out of it for a moment, it's actually not a bad song and I could see it doing quite well.

With the politics back in, I don't think I can watch it myself, I think that would be too painful. I do respect her strength to go and represent Israel in the contest at such a young age as well, and I hope she has supportive people with her. It's a big thing to ask of a young person who like so many people may well still feel the trauma of 7/10 very much.

Why?

The very existence of Israel is "controversial" to some.

Nope. I think Israel has its right to exist. I don’t think it should be in Eurovision for many reasons :
they’re not part of Europe (not is Australia I know but at least Australia can’t win unlike Israel)
I don’t think they should be participating in an event whilst at the same time the country’s government thinks it’s a good idea for defending themselves to kill innocent people. Russia was kicked out for doing something similar so I find it quite hypocritical not to kick Israel out of the competition. And finally , the fact that the Palestinian flag is forbidden to be displayed during the competition I find it quite political for a competition they say it’s not political despite Eurovision by itself all political and nothing to do with music

As far as I can tell the only qualification needed for Eurovision is a complete lack of musical talent. I realise that's not the point, but wonder why anyone would care about being in such a depressingly banal event.

So it's only okay for non-European countries to be part of Eurovision if they can't win? How does that work?

Few news from this weekend regarding boycotting Eurovision for allowing Israel taking part

https://www.thelocal.se/20240312/protesters-apply-to-demonstrate-for-and-against-israel-at-eurovision-in-malmo

East London , apparently it was the biggest screening in London

Australia has some kind of super-fan guest status.

Israel is part of the EBU so was accepted that way, apparently, and is a fully fledged Eurovision country.

Israel also now competes in the Invictus Games, and its IDF team is set to re-compete next year. I don't know if that might prove controversial or not.

If that's the case Hopefully some European country representatives will wear yellow ribbons calling for the release of the hostages. They might even ask Hamas to lay down its arms. ☮️

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hundreds-of-queer-artists-urge-olly-alexander-to-boycott-eurovision-2024-over-israels-participation-3610773

You can’t take politics out of Eurovision. If Israel was asked not to attend- it would have been political too. The way countries vote too can be political. There have been studies that demonstrate this.

I don’t think countries should boycott the contest, but it will be interesting to see how Israel’s song fares. Imagine it will be a measure of allegiance vs concerns with Israeli actions in Gaza. Null points from Ireland?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230512-eurovision-why-some-countries-vote-for-each-other#:~:text=Countries%20can't%20vote%20for,that%20the%20competition%20is%20apolitical.

That's tough on him I doubt at this stage it is really his choice to make. Horrible situation to be put in, similar to what happened to the Irish ladies basketball team playing Israel

The comedian the late Sean Hughes used to do a very funny sketch on the political voting. And yes I would be very surprised if Israel scored much from the Irish.

This is a great idea. I would wholeheartedly endorse the absence of Olly Alexander from Eurovision and my tv screen in general.

ETA and my ears.

I haven’t engaged with Eurovision for years, but this year’s contest is going to be interesting for all the wrong reasons. Apparently they have a system in place to recognise fraudulent/ bulk voting. Maybe tested this year?

’The entire procedure - both jury voting as well as televoting - is overlooked by independent observers of E&Y and by the EBU's Executive Supervisor, to assure that all results are being interpreted in accordance with the Rules.’

https://eurovision.tv/about/how-it-works

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68693181

Olly Alexander is reportedly staying in the competition, believing in ‘the unifying power of music’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68693181

I believe in the unifying power of the 'off' and 'mute' buttons.

We were subjected to a man in a dress a few years back calling himself a translation of 'Miss Sausage' (Wurst) so maybe that's where the error came from if that's the case”

I wasn’t because I didn’t watch it. Problem (if you have a problem with trans-people, which I don’t) solved.

I'm pretty sure that Conchita Wurst says that he is a gay man, with a 'drag queen' stage persona, uses the 'he' pronoun, and doesn't see himself as trans.

It is Dana International (Israel) who identifies as trans.

Verka Serduchka (Ukraine) is an act, a style of drag character, created by a man - a bit like the lead in Mrs Brown's Boys. 'In 1990, [Andriy] Danylko began to create the character of Verka Serduchka, a flamboyant middle-aged woman from a rural family, working as a railroad sleeping car attendant'.