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Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Redebs · 04/03/2024 09:21

Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

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EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 22:39

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Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?
SharonEllis · 07/05/2024 22:45

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 20:05

Nope. I think Israel has its right to exist. I don’t think it should be in Eurovision for many reasons :
they’re not part of Europe (not is Australia I know but at least Australia can’t win unlike Israel)
I don’t think they should be participating in an event whilst at the same time the country’s government thinks it’s a good idea for defending themselves to kill innocent people. Russia was kicked out for doing something similar so I find it quite hypocritical not to kick Israel out of the competition. And finally , the fact that the Palestinian flag is forbidden to be displayed during the competition I find it quite political for a competition they say it’s not political despite Eurovision by itself all political and nothing to do with music

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No, Russia was not kicked out fir doing something similar. Russia invaded a sovreign nation completely unprovoked. Israel responded to an act of war committed by Hamas as any nation in this earth would have done & had the right to do. You can argue over how it has prosecuted the war and whether they will achieve their objectives but it was and is not similar to Russia.

EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 22:53

Eric Saade’s grandparents were exiled from Palestine during the Nakba, and his father had to flee Lebanon in the 80s due to Israeli forces.

Kindatired · 07/05/2024 23:38

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Appalonia · 07/05/2024 23:54

Well one positive outcome is that maybe Israel coming last will stop the UK entrant from coming bottom...?

ScrollingLeaves · 08/05/2024 00:20

PurpleChrayn · 04/03/2024 09:22

What's wrong with that, exactly?

And how many trans identifying singers do you think are allowed to perform in Gaza?

That is probably the message they are trying to convey.

One could say there are some other considerations to take into account in this case, as to what makes for a great, modern, democratic state.

User2460177 · 08/05/2024 00:24

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2024 13:40

Good lord, I'm amazed that Israel have been invited to compete at all.

Why? They were attacked and are fighting a war. Like Ukraine. They weren’t banned

LSTMS30555 · 08/05/2024 00:32

@Redebs wtf she's not trans and SHES also changed the title to hurricanes instead along with removing some lyrics.

Why shouldn't Israel be allowed to compete? Especially its citizens.

EasterIssland · 08/05/2024 08:55

EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 22:39

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Eric’s statement

Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?
keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 09:52

It's not a political event - it's a music festival! Keep politics out of it!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/eurovision-palestine-scarf-keffiyeh-sweden-eric-saade/

Eurovision’s organisers have said they “regret” that an artist chose to wear a Keffiyeh at the event’s opening performances on Tuesday night.
Swedish pop star Eric Saade, who is of Palestinian origin, donned the scarf on his wrist as he opened the first semi-final of the 68th Eurovision Song Contest in Malmo, Sweden.
The Middle Eastern headdress has become a commonly used symbol of pro-Palestinian support throughout the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and is frequently worn by demonstrators worldwide.
A spokesperson for the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), which organises the event, said: “The Eurovision Song Contest is a live TV show.
“All performers are made aware of the rules of the Contest, and we regret that Eric Saade chose to compromise the non-political nature of the event.”
Saade was among three former contestants who kicked off the first Eurovision semi-final in Malmö amid heightened tensions over Israel’s involvement.
Former Eurovision participants Eleni Foureira, Chanel, and Eric Saade onstage during the first semi-final CREDIT: Jessica GowSaade, who was placed third for Sweden in 2011, has condemned the EBU’s handling of this year’s controversy and has repeatedly stated he opposes Israel’s involvement in the competition.
Similarly to Saade, an American Eurovision fan worked her way around the organiser’s Palestinian flag ban by donning a distinctive Keffiyeh over her outfit.
Monica Ruiz, a 33-year-old library worker from Boston, chose to wear the scarf around her shoulders and paired it with large watermelon earrings, also a symbol used in pro-Palestine protests.
“It’s very complicated this year,” the Eurovision attendee told The Telegraph, explaining that many people will have “strong feelings” about the controversy surrounding Israel’s involvement.
She said: “We have friends who have bowed out of participating in any Eurovision this year in response to the inclusion [of Israel].
“I think that personally, it is hard to see a country be celebrated on an international stage while they are also being tried for genocide by the International Criminal Court.”
Explaining her decision to make a political statement at the music event, she said: “As a person with Indigenous roots, I am going to stand for Indigenous rights around the world.”
In late January, the UN-run International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel must act to prevent genocide in Gaza but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire after South Africa brought a case against the country.
Only flags of participating countries are allowedThe 68th Eurovision Song Contest has been plagued by rows over Israel’s participation amid the country’s ongoing military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, now in its seventh month.
Organisers announced last week that they reserve the right to remove any Palestinian flags and pro-Palestine symbols at the show this week in Sweden, reinforcing that it is a non-political event.
Michelle Roverelli, the head of communications for event organisers the EBU, said ticket holders are only allowed to bring and display flags representing countries that take part in the event, as well as the rainbow-coloured flag.
It came after more than 1,000 Swedish musicians wrote an open letter calling for Israel to be banned.
At the event, which runs from Tuesday to Sunday, pro-Palestinian groups are expected to stage large protests in Malmö to raise awareness of the cause and demonstrate against Israel’s involvement.
The involvement of Eden Golan, this year’s performer for Israel, while the war in Gaza continues has divided politicians and celebrities.
Eden Golan wanted to sing a song called October Rain CREDIT: Leonhard FoegerThe 20-year-old will perform the song October Rain, which was taken by some to be a reference to the Hamas attack of October 7, on Thursday.
UK in first semi-finalMeanwhile, this year’s first semi-final on Tuesday night saw performances by Ireland’s non-binary contestant, Bambi Thug, as well as Olly Alexander for the UK.
The Years & Years singer, 33, previously sparked an anti-semitism row after The Telegraph revealed he had signed a letter calling Israel an “apartheid regime” and condemning “Zionist propaganda”.
He broke down in tears during an interview with The Times, published last week, in which he addressed the controversy and said he had “struggled” during a performance at a pre-Eurovision party.
He has since said he respects fans who are boycotting the competition but branded attacks on him “extreme.”
The first night also saw performances by Ukraine’s duo Jerry Heil and Alyona Alyona and Croatia’s Baby Lasagna, who is tipped as a potential favourite to win.
Israel has qualified for every Eurovision final since 2015. It came third last year, with its most recent win coming in 2018 with Netta Barzilai’s song Toy.
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Februaryfeels · 08/05/2024 09:59

Monica sounds really edgy

silvernglow · 08/05/2024 10:23

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So basically, all Israeli citizens are responsible for the actions of the IDF and none if them should be allowed to be happy about anything?

EasterIssland · 08/05/2024 10:37

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 09:52

It's not a political event - it's a music festival! Keep politics out of it!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/eurovision-palestine-scarf-keffiyeh-sweden-eric-saade/

Eurovision’s organisers have said they “regret” that an artist chose to wear a Keffiyeh at the event’s opening performances on Tuesday night.
Swedish pop star Eric Saade, who is of Palestinian origin, donned the scarf on his wrist as he opened the first semi-final of the 68th Eurovision Song Contest in Malmo, Sweden.
The Middle Eastern headdress has become a commonly used symbol of pro-Palestinian support throughout the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and is frequently worn by demonstrators worldwide.
A spokesperson for the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), which organises the event, said: “The Eurovision Song Contest is a live TV show.
“All performers are made aware of the rules of the Contest, and we regret that Eric Saade chose to compromise the non-political nature of the event.”
Saade was among three former contestants who kicked off the first Eurovision semi-final in Malmö amid heightened tensions over Israel’s involvement.
Former Eurovision participants Eleni Foureira, Chanel, and Eric Saade onstage during the first semi-final CREDIT: Jessica GowSaade, who was placed third for Sweden in 2011, has condemned the EBU’s handling of this year’s controversy and has repeatedly stated he opposes Israel’s involvement in the competition.
Similarly to Saade, an American Eurovision fan worked her way around the organiser’s Palestinian flag ban by donning a distinctive Keffiyeh over her outfit.
Monica Ruiz, a 33-year-old library worker from Boston, chose to wear the scarf around her shoulders and paired it with large watermelon earrings, also a symbol used in pro-Palestine protests.
“It’s very complicated this year,” the Eurovision attendee told The Telegraph, explaining that many people will have “strong feelings” about the controversy surrounding Israel’s involvement.
She said: “We have friends who have bowed out of participating in any Eurovision this year in response to the inclusion [of Israel].
“I think that personally, it is hard to see a country be celebrated on an international stage while they are also being tried for genocide by the International Criminal Court.”
Explaining her decision to make a political statement at the music event, she said: “As a person with Indigenous roots, I am going to stand for Indigenous rights around the world.”
In late January, the UN-run International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel must act to prevent genocide in Gaza but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire after South Africa brought a case against the country.
Only flags of participating countries are allowedThe 68th Eurovision Song Contest has been plagued by rows over Israel’s participation amid the country’s ongoing military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, now in its seventh month.
Organisers announced last week that they reserve the right to remove any Palestinian flags and pro-Palestine symbols at the show this week in Sweden, reinforcing that it is a non-political event.
Michelle Roverelli, the head of communications for event organisers the EBU, said ticket holders are only allowed to bring and display flags representing countries that take part in the event, as well as the rainbow-coloured flag.
It came after more than 1,000 Swedish musicians wrote an open letter calling for Israel to be banned.
At the event, which runs from Tuesday to Sunday, pro-Palestinian groups are expected to stage large protests in Malmö to raise awareness of the cause and demonstrate against Israel’s involvement.
The involvement of Eden Golan, this year’s performer for Israel, while the war in Gaza continues has divided politicians and celebrities.
Eden Golan wanted to sing a song called October Rain CREDIT: Leonhard FoegerThe 20-year-old will perform the song October Rain, which was taken by some to be a reference to the Hamas attack of October 7, on Thursday.
UK in first semi-finalMeanwhile, this year’s first semi-final on Tuesday night saw performances by Ireland’s non-binary contestant, Bambi Thug, as well as Olly Alexander for the UK.
The Years & Years singer, 33, previously sparked an anti-semitism row after The Telegraph revealed he had signed a letter calling Israel an “apartheid regime” and condemning “Zionist propaganda”.
He broke down in tears during an interview with The Times, published last week, in which he addressed the controversy and said he had “struggled” during a performance at a pre-Eurovision party.
He has since said he respects fans who are boycotting the competition but branded attacks on him “extreme.”
The first night also saw performances by Ukraine’s duo Jerry Heil and Alyona Alyona and Croatia’s Baby Lasagna, who is tipped as a potential favourite to win.
Israel has qualified for every Eurovision final since 2015. It came third last year, with its most recent win coming in 2018 with Netta Barzilai’s song Toy.
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If it’s a music festival and politics should stay out of it then why isn’t Russia allowed. Is it because their singers are crap?

ScrollingLeaves · 08/05/2024 11:10

LSTMS30555 · 08/05/2024 00:32

@Redebs wtf she's not trans and SHES also changed the title to hurricanes instead along with removing some lyrics.

Why shouldn't Israel be allowed to compete? Especially its citizens.

No she isn’t. So that (an Israeli trans singer) is not being used as a code for comparing Israel’s liberties with Gaza’s repressions.

Why did someone on here say she is trans? I knew nothing about her before so looked her up, and there isn’t anything at all suggesting she is.

She was originally from Russia, with Latvian and Jewish-Ukrainian heritage. She has been singing and winning competitions since she was a child.
Her family moved to Israel relatively recently to escape from prejudice against them in Russia for being Jewish.

fungipie · 08/05/2024 11:14

Babyboomtastic · 04/03/2024 13:36

Irrespective of lyrics, if Israel are allowed to compete this year lots of people will be boycotting the show for the hypocrisy in allowing them to take part when they (rightly IMO) banned Russia

I won't be watching it.

Exactly- I will watch and would love huge numbers just switch off when she comes on.

A massive switch off would be a clear message.

Are you sure Eden Golan is her real name.

silvernglow · 08/05/2024 11:21

fungipie · 08/05/2024 11:14

Exactly- I will watch and would love huge numbers just switch off when she comes on.

A massive switch off would be a clear message.

Are you sure Eden Golan is her real name.

Why wouldn't that be her real name? And why would it matter either way?

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 11:30

EasterIssland · 08/05/2024 10:37

If it’s a music festival and politics should stay out of it then why isn’t Russia allowed. Is it because their singers are crap?

No because they invaded a country without provocation.

Israel are attempting to dismantle a terrorist organisation which Eurovision recognise.
Why not complain to Eurovision if you disagree.

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 11:31

fungipie · 08/05/2024 11:14

Exactly- I will watch and would love huge numbers just switch off when she comes on.

A massive switch off would be a clear message.

Are you sure Eden Golan is her real name.

More votes for Israel then if people switch off. Go Eden! You are very brave!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/02/israel-eurovision-contestant-palestine-protest-hotel-room/

Israeli Eurovision contestant ‘must not leave hotel room’ amid safety fears

Eden Golan receives security advice as organisers in Sweden prepare for pro-Palestine protests

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/02/israel-eurovision-contestant-palestine-protest-hotel-room

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 11:40

Not sure how people not watching someone's performance translates to more votes for that person?

Kindatired · 08/05/2024 11:54

@silvernglow
It’s the elected government of Israel that is the direct cause of the humanitarian crisis, even if the trigger was the the 7/10 attack- remember the only democracy in the Middle East?
The government that helped to put Hamas in charge of Gaza to undermine the two state solution that a more secular democratic peace partner could effect.
My point is that if the lives that were lost were held in any regard higher than that of animals, the entire state of Israel would be in a state of mourning for the loss. So the humanitarian crisis is deliberate (genocide) or not the direct intent. If the latter, then surely the reaction should be the same as if a terrible national disaster had taken place. Instead, the press is silenced and the message is that this is all entirely normal, brave little Israel singling its little heart out, their own displaced in hotels and modern apartments while people in the place they were told was safe are cowering under tents made of plastic bags wondering will starvation , heatstroke or bombing kill them first

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 11:59

Kindatired · 08/05/2024 11:54

@silvernglow
It’s the elected government of Israel that is the direct cause of the humanitarian crisis, even if the trigger was the the 7/10 attack- remember the only democracy in the Middle East?
The government that helped to put Hamas in charge of Gaza to undermine the two state solution that a more secular democratic peace partner could effect.
My point is that if the lives that were lost were held in any regard higher than that of animals, the entire state of Israel would be in a state of mourning for the loss. So the humanitarian crisis is deliberate (genocide) or not the direct intent. If the latter, then surely the reaction should be the same as if a terrible national disaster had taken place. Instead, the press is silenced and the message is that this is all entirely normal, brave little Israel singling its little heart out, their own displaced in hotels and modern apartments while people in the place they were told was safe are cowering under tents made of plastic bags wondering will starvation , heatstroke or bombing kill them first

Trigger? One of the worst genocides in history was perpetrated on 7th October.

Israel are doing the right thing in ridding the world of a terrorist organisation.

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 12:01

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 11:40

Not sure how people not watching someone's performance translates to more votes for that person?

Less people watching, less voting. More chances of people watching to vote for Israel. Unless people are going to vote on the app without watching. Then it would be a political vote.

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 12:03

keenforhelp · 08/05/2024 12:01

Less people watching, less voting. More chances of people watching to vote for Israel. Unless people are going to vote on the app without watching. Then it would be a political vote.

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But people might choose not to watch an artist for whatever reason and still watch the other performances and vote for their favourite?

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