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Conflict in the Middle East

To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

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Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 07:35

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

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Deathbyathousandcats · 28/01/2024 10:38

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:34

@Deathbyathousandcats Is this a job interview? China. So is India, arguably. Though not a member of the SC;

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat I believe I already answered your question.

UNRWA is one thing. I think it is a deflection to distract from the actions of the IDF.

Great! We’re getting there now. So where is your anger at China? Or are your protests solely aimed at the world’s only Jewish state? Do Chinese Muslims not count?

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:38

What do 3 year olds in 2024 have to do with Holocaust day? It's amazing how people have complicated what doesn't need to be complicated. Stop killing children. It's not that hard as people make out it is.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 10:40

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:34

@Deathbyathousandcats Is this a job interview? China. So is India, arguably. Though not a member of the SC;

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat I believe I already answered your question.

UNRWA is one thing. I think it is a deflection to distract from the actions of the IDF.

No, you haven’t. You have deflected.

That’s ok. I wasn’t really expecting a proper answer.

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:40

Nope @Deathbyathousandcats I am not here to be quizzed with your greater geo-political knowledge. You have no idea what my protests are aimed at, since you don't know me.

AgentJohnson · 28/01/2024 10:45

This thread is about the failure to acknowledge the absurdity of funding and supporting a body that explicitly accepts Hamas links.

Oh, so that’s what this thread is about. Thanks to you, this right is being wronged.

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 10:45

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:30

As I said, mention of race and religion makes people defensive. The very idea that US and UK foreign policy dehumanises brown and black people is deeply unsettling. Despite some 400 years of evidence. I will continue talking about it and you can continue with your "bollocks" responses.

oh bless you I don't usually engage.

defensive - no
frustrated by your divisive rhetoric - yes

hope that's simple enough for you.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 10:49

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 10:30

Where in this thread has anyone called for aid to stop?

if unrwa have proven themselves to be unfit to deliver aid, and worse, have members who have taken part in a terrorist atrocity, how can they be a trusted or safe mechanism?

This thread is about the failure to acknowledge the absurdity of funding and supporting a body that explicitly accepts Hamas links.

i think the heat comes quickly in the context of horrible racism and justification for October 7th; hard to keep your cool with some of the things pp’s have said, but I agree a distraction from the main thrust of this thread.

People have queried why people are continuing to donate to them. If there's no funding there's no aid! You cannot set up the infrastructure UNWRA have in Gaza overnight by another organisation the best placed organisation in Gaza to get aid to the people that most need it is, whether we like it or not, the UNWRA. I believe that the vast majority of their staff on the ground are trustworthy compassionate people doing the best they can in unimaginable traumatic situations. They need to continue their work and supported to do so. What happens at the top level of the organisation at the moment and the investigation is not their priority, they are dealing with the day to day work of saving lives and need the resources to do that.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 10:54

There are now at least eight countries that have stoped their funding to UNRWA.

Surely they must have substantial reasons for that.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 10:57

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 10:54

There are now at least eight countries that have stoped their funding to UNRWA.

Surely they must have substantial reasons for that.

Complete knee jerk reaction in my opinion. Some of these countries also fund the military operations of the IDF who are being investigated for genocide, they are the hypocrites

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 10:59

What, Canada, Finland, The Netherlands, Italy, all hypocrites, right?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 11:01

Also, knee jerk reaction?

This comes months after 07/10 and weeks after the revelation from hostages where they were kept.

Nothing knew jerk about this, If anything it comes too late.

Mustardseed86 · 28/01/2024 11:01

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 10:38

What do 3 year olds in 2024 have to do with Holocaust day? It's amazing how people have complicated what doesn't need to be complicated. Stop killing children. It's not that hard as people make out it is.

It has to do with this statement from you:

Whom I firmly believe would not be so easily wiped out if they were not brown, and not Muslim.

Never mind. You've made your views more than clear. Enjoy your day.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 11:10

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 10:59

What, Canada, Finland, The Netherlands, Italy, all hypocrites, right?

I didn't say all countries I said some....

It is a knee jerk reaction to something that was revealed on Friday. Let it be investigated but don't let that stop much needed aid getting to people who are dying. I'm sorry that may seem simplistic but why should the Gazan people once again pay the price? A pause in aid to me is unpalatable

Deathbyathousandcats · 28/01/2024 11:13

Dulra · 28/01/2024 11:10

I didn't say all countries I said some....

It is a knee jerk reaction to something that was revealed on Friday. Let it be investigated but don't let that stop much needed aid getting to people who are dying. I'm sorry that may seem simplistic but why should the Gazan people once again pay the price? A pause in aid to me is unpalatable

Perhaps if Hamas stopped stealing the aid, and the UN tried to prevent that?

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2024 11:14

It's bizarre to be claiming that certain countries want to wipe out "brown people" or are at least not bothered by it happening, while at the same time worrying that all the aid that those same countries have been sending to "brown people" has been paused because the impact of this will be devastating.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 11:15

Ok, so some countries who have suspended the aid are hypocrites, and others are not?

Arafina · 28/01/2024 11:27

Dulra · 28/01/2024 10:22

This thread has got very heated very quickly and unfortunately once again resorted into posters slinging abuse and insults at each other
Op I can understand your concern, disgust and frustration that a number of UNWRA staff members in Gaza have been exposed as Hamas and involved in the attacks on Oct 7th. I however do not understand why you would want this to result in much needed aid not getting to desperate people in Gaza? I don't agree that it is hypocritical to want the UNWRA to continue operating in Gaza there is no other organisation in a position to do so at this stage. The UNWRA is a huge organisation less than 1% of those working in Gaza have been accused and dismissed and an investigation is underway. Sometimes we just have to trust and let that investigation run its course. Why do you want aid to stop as that happens? Who benefits? Israel are of course jumping on this and attempting to discredit the UNWRA and the UN in general, they have never trusted them and have always been critical of them so this is no surprise but the simple fact of the matter is humanitarian aid has to get through no matter what, that is the priority right now, people are desperate people are dying and they deserve to be helped and supported. Why should people die as they wait for an investigation to take place? To me that suggestion is abhorrent.

Totally agree with you, it's inhumane to support the starvation of innocent children because of the behaviour of 13 individuals, by this logic the NHS should have had it's funding stopped because of Harold Shipman and others, the MET police would be totally decimated if the crimes of serving officers held the whole organisation to account, talk about disproportionate action. I for one am so ashamed of my government going along with this disgusting lack of judgement

Dulra · 28/01/2024 11:51

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 11:15

Ok, so some countries who have suspended the aid are hypocrites, and others are not?

I don't agree with any country stopping aid I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of some of those countries who are quick to stop aid because of an investigation into 12 individuals who were part of Hamas and have already been dismissed and investigation launched, while at the same time supplying military aid to a country that is under investigation for genocide. Those countries not supplying military support but have suspended aid are not hypocrites but I don't agree with them making very rapid decisions which have huge consequences for the lives of many innocent civilians who will die without aid.

racoonsinbins · 28/01/2024 11:53

We can acknowledge that there will sadly be a small number of very rotten apples (who obviously need to be dealt with ) within a huge organisation staffed by a local population without it negating our main concern which is that huge numbers of innocent Palestinians are being slaughtered with no end in sight becuase the military aim of destroying Hamas cannot be achieved. We are obviously not saying it's OK, but we do not want it to detract from our main concerns (which is exactly what threads like this aim to do) and do not want to see aid derailed. I don't remember seeing much on the pro-Israeli threads about the horrific killing of the three poor semi-naked, white-flag-waving Israeli hostages by the IDF either.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 11:55

Just some hypocrites then. Others are simply not understanding enough.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 11:56

Just to add I am Irish and glad to see my country has said d it is committed to ongoing funding of UNWRA. Apparently a couple of those 12 are already dead and the others will face prosecution. Please please let those disgusting individuals not cause the death and suffering of others.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/01/2024 11:57

With over 90% of the population is Gaza being displaced, UNWRA was probably having issues functions on anything more than a basic level.

Without funding it will probably collapse, many may continue to work voluntarily. Who knows the situation is considered to be about two weeks away from being declared an official famine.

Without UN support every single Palestinian will gain Refuge rights.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 11:59

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 11:55

Just some hypocrites then. Others are simply not understanding enough.

not understanding enough
it's not about feelings it's about lives and acknowledgement that the decision to stop aid has far far reaching consequences that will directly cause the death of innocent civilians

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/01/2024 12:03

HAMAS has also directly caused the death and suffering of innocent civilians. Why should my money go toward people working for them? You say it's only 12, how can you be sure of it?

hogmanayhoolie · 28/01/2024 12:05

MotherofGorgons · 28/01/2024 09:06

At the end of the day, you will find many people who feel that Israel's reaction to Hamas' savagery has been deeply unproportionate slaughter of innocents, mostly children. It isn't virtue signalling to point that collective punishment is barbaric.

The anti-semitism in the UK is deplorable and should be stopped, but does not compare to the wholesale massacre and starvation of Palestinian children. The comparison is ridiculous.

Whenever a poster uses "...but" in this context, it says all that needs to be said about them

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