To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

https://x.com/hillelneuer/status/1751420454416323010?s=46

the problem isn't 12 or so bad apples, it’s deeper than that. From a report in the link above from UNWatch:
“ This report details how UNRWA teachers in a 3,000-member UNRWA staff Telegram group cheered and celebrated Hamas’s October 7th massacre while at the same time asking when their UNRWA salaries will be paid. The UNRWA staff in the group shared photos and video footage of those events and prayed for the terrorists’ success and for Israel’s destruction, in clear violation of UN rules.”
UNWRA are clearly deeply compromised. It seems to me any progress towards an immediate peaceful resolution, and a long term peaceful solution, cannot involve an organization that has been shown to be so deeply compromised. Even in the short term, I’d be concerned about UNWRAs ability to meet the acute needs for humanitarian aid of the people of Gaza, given the bias shown. Evidence is showing that aid is being stolen and misappropriated, so whatever is happening on the ground to help with the humanitarian crisis is clearly not good enough. Would a separate branch of the UN, such as the UNHCR perhaps be able to be brought in to help the Palestinians?

on a separate note, I strongly object to the whole white/brown framing of the war. A large proportion of Israelis are refugees/ descendants of refugees from middle eastern countries and are visually very similar looking to Palestinians. Additionally, even ashkenazim are extremely mixed ethnically. I am 1/4 middle eastern. My grandmother was born pre the establishment of Israel in British mandate Palestine, from a family settled in tzfat for hundreds of years. DH is ashkenazi, but looks middle eastern. to add, one of the biggest reasons used to identify and kill Jews in the holocaust was because we were not aryan (blond, white , blue eyed) and some survivors only escaped because they looked aryan and many were murdered because they didn’t pass. This has now been flipped and now we are white oppressors…? So which is it?

If you genuinely believe aid money is going directly to Hamas you have never had confidence in the UNWRA even before this have you? I am not sure throwing out accusations like that are helpful and with everything sometimes you have to trust that the vast majority of people working for the organisation are not terrorists and are there to help. I am not sure what the alternative is? Who is going to administer and distribute aid in their absence?

Did I say money is going directly to HAMAS?

No, I did not.

And I don't owe trust to anyone. Trust is earned, not given.

Why is there a double standard here? Why are pro Palestinian posters supposed to 'scream from the rooftops' at a few bad apples but the same isn't expected of pro Israeli posters?

exactly this,
I’m not downplaying what these UNRWA members did , I find 7 Oct horrible but let’s no forget that in the other side , senior members of the supposedly most democratic nation in the ME like Ben Gvir, Stomrich , Eliyahu,
and leader in the settlement movement Daniela Weiss , all have expressed intentions of resettling Gaza or bombing Gaza, Daniela has some great ideas for the Gaza Strip settlements, and this is the majority,

people are really going to extremes to justify the killings and starving 1.9M souls
there is even a growing sentiment here and everywhere that There should be no aid trucks going into Gaza because some of the very little aid might fall into the hands of Hamas fighters,

even when there are images of local produce in the markets in Gaza some express their surprise that people "are not starving over there"
it’s so shameful,

Excellent post.

I find 7 Oct horrible but...

Another 'but' which should not have found its way in to a post. 🙄

Why should my money go toward people working for them? @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat
Kind of amounts to the same thing to me but apologies if that was not what you meant

If my money goes to an organisation which employs people who are members of HAMAS, then that's by definition not "directly".

Directly would be straight to HAMAS.

So, most definitely not the same thing.

I think the issue for me is the difference in Government reaction. Cameroon expresses he is "worried" that the Israeli Government has broken International law but there is no withdrawal of support except for a few weakly worded concerns. UNRWA identifies 12 Hamas supporters who it sacks instantly - there is currently no evidence of any further active involvement - and Aid is instantly withdrawn. They say aid is still going to Unicef and Red Cross, but I haven't seen whether that has been increased to these organisations, or whether they have the capacity in Gaza to distribute. Clearly there needs to be an external review of UNRWA which may mean action needs to be taken more broadly but currently the potential impact on aid distribution to a starving population seems disproportionate.

people are really going to extremes to justify the killings and starving 1.9M souls
there is even a growing sentiment here and everywhere that There should be no aid trucks going into Gaza because some of the very little aid might fall into the hands of Hamas fighters
100% agree if it was anywhere other than Palestine people's first response would not be stop all aid

Perfect time for the wealthy, Muslim majority nations to step up and fund Palestine and leave the corrupt, duplicitous West to their own devices.

But it isn't like the West are minding their own business is it? They are paying for the war in Gaza. They are supplying the bombs. They are funding the killings in the West Bank. I don't think it is very moral to do this and then not provide aid for the imnocent people impacted by your actions. If the West stops funding all of this then you might have a point but until then they have a responsibility to deal with the consequences of their actions.

But it isn't like the West are minding their own business is it? They are paying for the war in Gaza. They are supplying the bombs.

We also appear to be supplying the aid, but that seems to be overlooked by people who are only intent on condemning us.

Perhaps you didn't see the post that I quoted?

You said I don't think it is very moral to do this and then not provide aid for the imnocent people impacted by your actions

But we are providing aid. Which you seem to have overlooked.

Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Jordan and Tunisia have all also provided aid to Gaza

All UK aid was provided to Gaza via UN departments.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9900/

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9874/

I asked did you not see the post I was quoting, I didnt ask you what I said, I know what I said. I was responding to this Perfect time for the wealthy, Muslim majority nations to step up and fund Palestine and leave the corrupt, duplicitous West to their own devices. which is clearly suggesting the West should leave aid to 'Muslim majority countries'. That is what my post was in reply to. I am not overlooking what is happening now. I was very clearly responding to the suggestion that the West should stop cleaning up their own mess.

https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/top_20_donors_2022_overall_ranking.pdf

Where are the serious donations from Muslim majority countries?
It’s easy to shout about supporting Palestine, what is needed is billions in cash and resources used appropriately and transparently.
Because I’ve no idea what all the billions donated so far by the west have accomplished for the Palestinian people.

I don’t think the West know how to clean up the mess.

Fair enough.

Do you think we are only sending humanitarian aid because it is 'clearing up our own mess'?

@Cattiwampus Qatar has give $1.3 billion to Gaza since 2012 - I would imagine they are offering significant amounts now (they've certainly provided aid but can't find exact amounts), but as we all know at the moment the problem is getting it in.

Qatar has give $1.3 billion to Gaza since 2012

They've also housed the leaders of Hamas so perhaps they are cleaning up their own mess.

I dont know. But it is certainly a reason why some countries in the West need to continue with that funding.