To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Yes, of course, because as soon as it doesn't fit the theory they become 'honorary' members of the enemy race, right?

I am used to people saying that when narrow British or US world views are challenged. Race makes people uncomfortable.

I don’t think you understand geopolitics. It’s infantile kneejerk anti-Americanism.

It's a possibility. They're all quick to condemn atrocities from the other side though.

Oh well. Me and Tony Bourdain then, in our anti-Americanism.

Yes, I guess you would be used to people rejecting your simplistic and racist worldview, so it's handy to have another bit of nonsense up your sleeve to deal with that.

People always say that when brown people speak up against genocide. It becomes "simplistic".

3-year-olds not being slaughtered on the grounds that they could be Hamas terrorists is quite simple to me. It;s gone way beyond targeting Hamas and now targets an entire people. Whom I firmly believe would not be so easily wiped out if they were not brown, and not Muslim.

I see the defence of collective punishment as nonsense, tbh.

The fact that you can write that when Holocaust Memorial Day was literally yesterday tells me you have one hell of a filter in place.

This thread has got very heated very quickly and unfortunately once again resorted into posters slinging abuse and insults at each other
Op I can understand your concern, disgust and frustration that a number of UNWRA staff members in Gaza have been exposed as Hamas and involved in the attacks on Oct 7th. I however do not understand why you would want this to result in much needed aid not getting to desperate people in Gaza? I don't agree that it is hypocritical to want the UNWRA to continue operating in Gaza there is no other organisation in a position to do so at this stage. The UNWRA is a huge organisation less than 1% of those working in Gaza have been accused and dismissed and an investigation is underway. Sometimes we just have to trust and let that investigation run its course. Why do you want aid to stop as that happens? Who benefits? Israel are of course jumping on this and attempting to discredit the UNWRA and the UN in general, they have never trusted them and have always been critical of them so this is no surprise but the simple fact of the matter is humanitarian aid has to get through no matter what, that is the priority right now, people are desperate people are dying and they deserve to be helped and supported. Why should people die as they wait for an investigation to take place? To me that suggestion is abhorrent.

Your views are simplistic though. You first railed against the US foreign policy, then when challenged in that suddenly it was the actions of the UN Security Council instead. The fact that Russia and China are permanent members hadn’t even entered into your thinking. Your entire defence is that everyone else is a racist for challenging you.

You found the post intelligent and thought provoking? 😂

Do you think that UNRWA have been unfairly targeted because people working for them they have been helping HAMAS?

Brown lives? Don't talk bollocks.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat No. I think aid to them should stop and further aid investigated. So no, I don't think everything is racist.

I just think, as I said, this pales in comparison to what the IDF is doing.

There is no silence, it is front page news for nearly every western news source.

Where in this thread has anyone called for aid to stop?

if unrwa have proven themselves to be unfit to deliver aid, and worse, have members who have taken part in a terrorist atrocity, how can they be a trusted or safe mechanism?

This thread is about the failure to acknowledge the absurdity of funding and supporting a body that explicitly accepts Hamas links.

i think the heat comes quickly in the context of horrible racism and justification for October 7th; hard to keep your cool with some of the things pp’s have said, but I agree a distraction from the main thrust of this thread.

I don’t understand how you are connecting racism and the UNRWA situation.

As I said, mention of race and religion makes people defensive. The very idea that US and UK foreign policy dehumanises brown and black people is deeply unsettling. Despite some 400 years of evidence. I will continue talking about it and you can continue with your "bollocks" responses.

Just as I don;t understand how speaking out against IDF is anti-semite.

How does this answer my question?

Ah, it’s the wicked West again. One of the permanent Security Council members is conducting actual genocide against Muslims. Do you know which one that is?

@Deathbyathousandcats Is this a job interview? China. So is India, arguably. Though not a member of the SC;

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat I believe I already answered your question.

UNRWA is one thing. I think it is a deflection to distract from the actions of the IDF.

The lack of outrage that UNMWRA harbours a number of Hamas members, says a lot to me.

How do measure outrage and how do you quantify that it is ‘lacking’? Is social media the barometer? Maybe we should a red face emoji to click alongside the thumbs up and thumbs down.

I’m not naïeve enough to think the tentacles of HAMAS don’t reach far and wide and given the situation in Gaza, it wouldn’t surprise me that member’s had infiltrated UNMWRA. However, calling UNMWRA HAMAS and saying that my support of UNICEF is me supporting HAMAS, is sensationalist tribalism and a position that I can not respect.

Exactly. This is what happens when folk accidentally inject unsafe doses of CRT. Funny how the self-declared anti-racists turn out to be the most bigoted of all.

Anyway, it's a lovely day and I have to go out. I am happy for people to think I am racialised. Also happy for aid to UNRWA to be paused.