To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Precisely my point. They are not considered "brown" because they are jews! This has nothing to do with "race or colour" but is just anti jew

Just to be clear, you think my shock people would continue to fund such an organisation makes me an extremist?

You are being extremely partisan because you are either unable or unwilling to see any nuance. Wanting the entire UN defunded is an extremist position.

I am unfortunate enough to have worked with someone who was found to have images of child abuse of his computer. The day I found out I had to continue to work in school because, despite being horrified and very shocked, closing down the whole school would have been an extreme reaction.

There are sick bastards everywhere. The reaction (firing them, pausing funding to the parent organisation while we figure out how they got away with it for so long) is right. Closing down every UN affiliated body is preposterous.

Yes I was shocked by Amnesty, I must say.

I gullibly bought into the fact they were a ‘human rights’ charity so assumed they cared about all humans; but then even before Israel’s response amnesty’s first posts about 7th October literally justified the attack by Hamas, they said it was all in the context of Israeli ‘oppression’ and ‘occupation’. I was really desperate. But of course it set the tone for a wave of similar responses justifying murder and rape of Jewish people. I subsequently learned their social media guy used to work as corbyn’s comms team, so makes more sense. (Corbyn obv famously in support of Hamas and responsible for damaging links to anti semitism in the Labour Party)

It is a good idea for us all to look up charities with a neutral humanitarian approach and rigorously scrutinise how they deliver their aid (for example so much aid is hijacked by Hamas, so how do you ensure it gets to the people who need it?)

From experience, this is very difficult. I donate to a small charity in a developing country and the only way I could figure out what they were about is to go visit them and look at their books. I have not yet donated to Gaza because I can't figure out what charity is legit and will use the money appropriately, and I certainly don't want it to go to Hamas.

At the same time, I think this is a dot in the sea of greater suffering.

You have some limitations in your comprehension and critical reasoning skills. Perhaps sit in on a few of the lessons your colleagues are teaching ?

Ha yes exactly. These people do a very poor job outing themselves, I just hope they speak like this in their public lives so their employers and community know who they are dealing with. How dare you say all Palestinians support rape and murder of Jewish people!?

It's a tiny minority. I don't see pro Israel posters posting about how awful it is that the IDF are shooting people waving white flags? I don't see the the pro Israeli posters talking about the soldiers being investigated for shooting children in the West Bank? For months pro Palestinian posters have been told that they are hysterical and over reacting, now there is a thread bemoaning the fact that they aren't behaving hysterically or over reacting to the fact that less than 1% of an aid organisation may be bad apples?

Why is there a double standard here? Why are pro Palestinian posters supposed to 'scream from the rooftops' at a few bad apples but the same isn't expected of pro Israeli posters? My take is that people need to keep things in perspective, 12 people out of 13000. Talking of keeping things in perspective the title you chose UNWRA is Hamas is deliberately inflammatory and is spreading misinformation

I am finding these sorts of posts to be an utterly bizarre hallmark of these threads.

There hasn’t been a single one where a pro-Israeli poster (or 5) can’t help but respond to a fairly measured, often intelligent and thought-provoking post with either ‘you’re reading comprehension isn’t up to much’ or ‘tell me you know nothing about the history of the region without telling me…’

Every single thread gets a post like that, and here with go for this one

I find it very telling when the best counter someone can come up with is a childish playground insult and personal attack. It is a clear signal they’ve run out of road and don’t have anything constructive to counter with.

Yes, UNRWA is not Hamas by any stretch. I have my own problems with the UN- it's a toothless organisation and entirely dominated by the US- but I think the rather bigger hypocrisy is the US and the UK standing by and watching genocide.

Coatrack. Well a significant part of my Jewish family are brown. If you saw them you would be unable to deny that. White (uk born) Jewish DM and an Iranian Jewish DF. Most of my cousins have brown skin, jet black wavy hair and in a group of Palestinian people you would not pick them out as the non-brown Jewish ones. My DBs have brown skin (I am very fair skinned). While we were on holiday in Spain. My youngest DB was stopped by plain-clothed police while we were waiting for a train around 7 years ago. They wanted to see his ID as he looked similar to someone they were looking for . That person was from (surprise, surprise) Iran.

For the first time in my life my family many of whom have no previous interest or feelings of belonging to Israel and do not practice their faith, have said they feel more Jewish after 7 Oct. I lit candles at Chanukah for the first time in my life, last December. My secular Jewish friends all say they feel far more strongly about their Jewishness. It’s possible to condemn the Israeli leadership and pounding and absolutely unacceptable killing of innocent Palestinians, while feeling equally horrified and scared about Palestines intent to wipe Jews off the face of the planet.

The lack of outrage that UNMWRA harbours a number of Hamas members, says a lot to me. There’s a lot of whataboutery involved, when there would be protests on the streets if the situation were to be reversed. Homes on my street had windows smashed yesterday. Very Jewish area. There was a large police presence. It feels very real that we are absolutely despised.

lol, no. There are worse countries than the US that dominate it.

It’s possible to condemn the Israeli leadership and pounding and absolutely unacceptable killing of innocent Palestinians, while feeling equally horrified and scared about Palestines intent to wipe Jews off the face of the planet.

So why aren’t we seeing ANYONE condemning the Israeli leadership? At best, it is radio silence but from the vast vast majority, it is full support

And surely no one believes that Palestinians are going to ‘wipe Jews off the face of the planet’? That’s some brainwashing cult shit if you think there is even a 1% chance of that happening.

You will forgive me if I am not a big fan of US foreign policy. The Security Council, then.

Honorary whites?! So basically everything in international politics can be boiled down to white vs brown, except where it doesn't fit when you just change things up and reassign ethnicities accordingly.

It is no surprise that any organisation in Gaza has participants in the Oct 7th atrocity. Palestinians voted in a party that are ideologically committed to the total destruction of Israel. They have said it over and over again and this pretense that the population of Gaza don’t support them is utterly unsupported by any data whatsoever. But the British public like simple bit sized good guys vs bad guy’s explanations and don’t both to research anything or understand anything. They’d much rather believe the Russian and Iranian bots working 24/7 to spread misinformation. So Israel = bad and Gaza = good. They like the simplicity of this and see no need for any critical thinking. Anyone who has spent more than 2 mins in the region (yes I have) knows that.

Russia and China are permanent members. Are you a big fan of their foreign policies?

I did see hat.

There were all sorts of not very educated guesses on the subject to the sea. Is it the Red Sea? is it the Black Sea?

Apparently it doesn't matter, as long as someone can be vocally passionate about something they have no knowledge about.

So why aren’t we seeing ANYONE condemning the Israeli leadership? At best, it is radio silence but from the vast vast majority, it is full support

Er, no. The vast vast majority say that a change of leadership is likely and needed.

Yes, a lot of it-not all- can. Hence why Tony Blair or George Bush are not considered war criminals.

Your world view is overly simplistic.

I'm just wondering how they fit into this poster's intensely racialised worldview!

@Deathbyathousandcats no. but my part of the world has suffered far more from US foreign policy than Russia or China. You have to realise not everyone sees the US as a great defender of democracy.

Yep. I’d love to see Netanyahu and his cronies gone.

And surely no one believes that Palestinians are going to ‘wipe Jews off the face of the planet’? That’s some brainwashing cult shit if you think there is even a 1% chance of that happening

They have clearly said that is there intention whether it happens or not.

There’s been much condemnation of Israeli leadership. What do you mean “Where is it”?