What is going on on the left? Gaza/Israel conflict

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I am left wing, I wouldn’t consider myself anything other. I absolutely support Israel, have no problem understanding and supporting Zionism, and am absolutely horrified by the rising levels of anti-semitism in the UK.

It is to my despair that much of that anti-semitism is being perpetrated by those on the left. People I like, consider friends, who are tolerant and who I would never, ever have considered racist or anti-Semitic are plastering their Facebook walls with pro-Hamas TikTok propaganda. These are not teenagers naively believing propaganda, these are people who’ve spend years active in (left wing) politics.

I’ve read a lot in recent weeks about the far left’s historical problem with anti-semitism, but how can it be that nice, friendly, socially conscious people are indulging in this insane display of anti-semitism? Actively showing support for a terrorist organisation? Refusing to believe Hamas is guilty of any crimes, or that they have an excellent propaganda machine currently in operation. What is going on?

@Humdingerydoo I do think the reason Netanyahus statements regarding the two states are in the limelight right now is because he is openly opposing the US. Biden has been going on about two states since the start of the war as if to imply he had a understanding about this with Netanyahu and now the head of Israel has openly defied this. Which is obviously going to be in the spotlight of media attention right now

@Humdingerydoo I echo that thought.

I'm not saying it's less than what Netanyahu has said. I'm saying if everyone is willing to accept that Netanyahu doesn't want a two state solution, why aren't you also accepting that Hamas don't just because their updated charter doesn't mention it? They want genocide. That is what they want. When Hamas and their supporters (not pro-Palestine marchers- Hamas supporters) shout "From the river to the sea", they mean Israel. They don't want two states, they want one state of Palestine.

Thanks for posting this. If this is so, then Islam is indeed rooted in anti-Semitism and even more reason why some of these boards possess certain strong opinions.

He did not hate them for not turning to islam. It was because they broke the treaty that was between both.

I will come back to the thread once I can after feeding my little ones and sorting out a few things. If someone else on the thread wants to explain they are more than welcome to and I will join when possible

@stomachameleon I'm not going to go through all the points but I can tell you most of what you have typed is chunks of incomplete texts that are taken out of context.

I could do the same for Christianity or Judaism and select texts about treatment of gentiles etc if I wanted but I know enough that doing so would be wrong when taken out of context

I am telling you as a muslim that muslims are not taught to hate Jews. And nor is any Islam based on hating Jews and saying this is only to further divide and incite hatred

Are there some Muslims who have misconstrued the bits they like to justify their actions against other religions or people? Then yes they might have but it is incorrect or false to say that all muslims are taught to hate Jewish people

Well said, @Parkingt111 I am really disgusted at the attempts to paint Muslims as anti-semitic in nature. Manipulative at best, badly disguised Islamophobia at worst.

It wasn't me specifically who said that. I don't know if someone else did.
I haven't read Hamas's updated charter but I have seen people quote it on here.
As far as I am concerned the attacks of October the 7th is enough to show why they can no longer be ruling Gaza or any future Palestinian state no matter what they say now or even update

Sorry, I didn't actually mean you, I meant posters in general.

Yes me too.

All three tribes which were mentioned has broken the agreement which was between the Muslims and the Jews. Before this happened there was a clear agreement that they will live and support each other. One example if the Jews were attacked by someone or another tribe they would be protected by the Muslims and vice versa.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/84308 please read this. The idea that the prophet (pbuh) hated them for not converting is not true.

@Parkingt111 I think all religions do that to justify things. I was asked to justify what I was saying and that's what I meant.

To confirm I don't think all Muslims are antisemitic but I am showing the justification for being so.

I was replying to your comment at 1.20

I am not Islamophobic and anyone that knows me well enough on here can confirm that.

@Humdingerydoo it's ok yes I understand.

I actually wanted to start a thread about a possible two state solution and what it would mean for the future of both Palestinians and Israelis. A thread open for everyone to discuss, not a bashing one but I think I will have to give it some thought on how to word it

There's a surprise....

I don't like where this post is going. I thought it was a fairly well-known fact that terrorists and extremists don't represent actual Islam. That their interpretation of Islam is very, very different from the vast majority who practice the religion. I mean, there isn't even just one Islam - on a very basic level (which is admittedly as far as my knowledge of Islam extends 🙃) everyone has heard of sunni and shia. So we know Islam isn't a "one size fits all" kind of religion.

I couldn't have asked for a better illustration of the skewed prejudice I was describing... And it only took a minute!

Hamas, of course, are well known for their respect for civilians, both Israeli and Gazan.

So I'm right then.

Nowhere do they specifically say they want to kill all Jews, which is what you claimed it said.

At this point I don't know if you're on a deliberate attempt to spread misinformation or just struggle with comprehension.

There are lots on which we can all agree - that Hamas and ISIS are terrible for a start. I don't think there is a good solution that involves splitting Jerusalem in two and think it should be left to Israel. I don't mind if some areas of Israel go to the other side particularly, but I don't trust people like Hamas one inch and negotiating with them would be almost impossible. Hamas laughs in the faces of the IDF because Hamas disobeys all normal rules of humanity whilst fighting Israel which is trying to follow civilised rules during a war.

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I don't know if this will work but I think this sums up most people's feelings. Lady talking at Columbia university.

"Israel which is trying to follow civilised rules during a war."

Well yes they are, compared to the Gazan administration.

You mean Hamas. A terrorist group that hasn't held elections for 15 years.

Gaza isn't a country and Hamas are terrorists. Israel are a country, a democracy and an ally of the West. They should be more than capable of fighting this war in accordance with international law, and at the moment they aren't.

Today they say it will take several months to destroy Hamas. If the Israeli government carry on the way they are doing then the Palestinian death toll will be huge.

I read today that the Gazans are so cramped in the safe zones there are 486 people for every toilet. No water, no food. And its winter. What do you think the outcome of several months of that will be?

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