4 NICU babies left to die by Israeli forces

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Some more in depth coverage of what happened to the four little babies in the NICU in Nasr Hospital and how they were left to die alone with nobody looking after them.

This is one of the most gruesome things I've ever heard and to be honest for the first day or so I didn't think it could be true. I didn't think even Israel could be this barbaric (though these aren't the first premature NICU babies they've killed in this conflict so I should probably not be so naive).

I can't understand how they can do this. And still they're supported by the UK and US.

Will this story appear on the televised news anywhere? I haven't seen it.

Warning: the descriptions in the article of the condition the bodies were found in are graphic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/03/gaza-premature-babies-dead-nasr/

I certainly don't blame that individual nurse, but what about the rest of the staff? Was he the only one working there? No, of course not. The others ran away like the cowards they are, leaving him to shoulder the responsibility of care. Absolutely disgusting.

They're definitely not cowards, they're people working in a war zone at risk of death at any second.

The babies were too premature to live without help, and the equipment was not portable. They needed reinforcements to move the babies to safety. Take them off and they suffocate. It's better to leave them to be rescued.

The HCPs' only mistake was trusting IDF (not that they had a choice, really).

I find it astonishing some posters are calling the nurse/hospital staff cowards or selfish. These are the same people living in a war zone have been for the past how many years, they know what's to come. There's been countless hospital staff from nurses to doctors who have been working and they've seen their child or a family member rushed in front of them as they've been injured. Do you realise how many of them of them have had to say goodbye to their child because they couldn't help them and continue with their work. This is their reality and has been for many years. Us sitting in the west in the comfort of our home cannot call them selfish. The hospital staff must have regrets as well as many others who may have had to leave a loved one behind.

I can guarantee those calling these nurses doctors and cowards would be the first to run rather than stay behind should they be in this situation.

And please let's stop seeing the IDF as a moral military because they are far from it. Just watch the videos, read the articles from the UN, red cross, save the children, unicef as well as many others. They told the civilians to escape from the North to the south.. they must be very nice considering none of these people have transport to get to the other side. They had to go on foot. People were dying due to the thirst and for walking endlessly. And now isn't the South being bombed too?

So my post was deleted. I didn't expect anything less. Calling medical staff cowards is acceptable but being held accountable for doing so, not so much.
I expect this one to be deleted too.

I reported that post @Auvergne63 .

I bet most of the other medical staff was evacuating the other patients rather than being cowards. It's very easy to say how you would behave as a medic in a warzone when you are safely behind your computer.

Where has any of those reported atrocities been proven false? Links please.

Your propaganda, that they didn’t happen, is what needs to be updated.

Is there any evidence that the IDF left these babies to die yet, independently corroborated and not from the terrorist organisation Hamas or their NGO affiliates?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-personnel-false-information-7-october-attack

yes I know it’s Middle East but it links the original source(haaretz which is an Israel newspaper) is behind a paywall which you can read as well if you want

You need to do better than a badly translated ultra left wing, low circulation, Israeli newspaper article on a pro-Muslim brotherhood website.

Nice try though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/31/journalism-social-media

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329

Plenty of articles which say the claims are unverified and by the looks of it hearsay. If that's the case we can make up anything and ruin a person's life. In this case the people of Gaza. Good journalism would make sure the claim was true. But even after having multiple claims by Israel debunked people still believe them. That's the problem with making a false claim once its out there it stays there, even if the truth comes out.

Did it? Are you not seeing the problem here? The WP article says the babies bodies were covered in maggots, had gone black and been mauled by dogs.

These babies were suposedly still in incubators. How did dogs get into a child's incubator in a building that was being bombed? Furthermore, that state of decomposition is not consistent with babies who had been dead a couple of days and left an airtight incubator.

The state of decomposition suggests those kids had actually been dead for some time, and had probably been left outside, exposed to the elements and to predators. Something doesn't add up.

How many armies do you suppose even give that warning? The British army doesn't give cilivians warning before they bomb a settlement, they just bomb it and treat civilian deaths as "collateral damage" and yet we hold them to be "moral".
UNICEF includes contries like Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia: states with atcrocious human rights records themselves. They're hardly a reliable and objective source.

I would suggest you actually READ that article: it lists a claim about supposed IDF atrocities as being unverified and likely false as well as the claim about Hamas beheading babies.

There's misinformation coming from Hamas as well. Like their claim that Israel blew up a hospital and killed hundreds of poeple: when later video footage showed the site of the explosion was in a hospital car park, and that it was a Hamas rocket being misfired which caused it. Images also showed there was no signifigant damage to the hospital building, only to cars outside

Plus the Death Toll was in dozens, not hundreds.

Seems to me, people decide which disinformation they want to believe and there is something very off in the story about the babies. The state of decomposition suggests the babies had been dead for some time and had been outside, exposed. Some sources suggest babies who had died of other causes were left out to make it look like they had to be abandoned.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207173798/fake-accounts-old-videos-and-rumors-fuel-chaos-around-gaza-hospital-explosion

They were forced to leave at gunpoint by soldiers. They only left after they were assured multiple times by the IDF that the babies would be evacuated.

The premature babies couldn’t be evacuated with the staff because they had no portable, battery powered incubators with oxygen supply. The staff told IDF this. In fact the nurse picked the baby most likely to survive a few hours without an incubator and oxygen and carried that infant with him on foot. He later flagged down an ambulance and handed off the baby. The report ended with him not knowing if the fifth baby made it or not.

What article are you referring to? The ones I read said nothing about dogs mauling the bodies. The babies also were not in incubators because IDF had cut the electricity prior to storming the hospital, so the babies were on beds with oxygen lines from oxygen tanks- all sort of rigged up as best they could with no electricity- an it isn’t clear whether the oxygen had run out prior to the military forcing them out.

The babies had been dead for over a week, not two days, and forensics experts stated the decomposition was consistent with the time between the hospital being forcibly cleared of staff and patients and the video.

Here is what CNN and NBC reported, warning there are distressing details.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-gaza-hospital-evacuated-rcna127533

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/middleeast/babies-al-nasr-gaza-hospital-what-we-know-intl/index.html

The British army don’t deliberately bomb hospitals, as that is illegal and a war crime.

Like their claim that Israel blew up a hospital and killed hundreds of poeple: when later video footage showed the site of the explosion was in a hospital car park, and that it was a Hamas rocket being misfired which caused it. Images also showed there was no signifigant damage to the hospital building, only to cars outside

That’s all you remember? The one strike that was initially attributed to IDF but ended up being a misfired rocket from PIJ. It’s understandable it was initially attributed to IDF because they’d already destroyed the Eye Hospital by 17th October.

Mid Oct to Early November:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/hospital-damage-in-gaza-during-israeli-offensive-a-visual-investigation

Turned out the IDF lied about Al Shifa having Hamas in it
https://www.commondreams.org/news/turns-out-the-israelis-lied-probe-dismantles-idf-s-al-shifa-hospital-claim

Thanks @Hellenika for giving those poor babies dignity in their death. ❤💐

Hopefully English Lady will concede that the MiddleEastEye isn’t the
“badly translated ultra left wing, low circulation, …newspaper… on a pro-Muslim brotherhood website” she thinks it is, since CNN and NBC, two of the most reputable news sources in the USA 🇺🇸 , who would dismantle any propaganda smearing their bestest ally Israel 🇮🇱 in a flash, have corroborated the poor babies being left to die by IDF.

I second this
A US senior politician was asked about the babies left to die and his response was yes we are aware and it's tragic but that's why we have told Israel to change the way it operates 🙄

That would require the self control and self awareness to realise that no matter how much "spin" they attempt to put on the incident, decent people are horrified by it.

Maybe, we were all meant to forget. It's been 3 weeks after all.

This thread has really shown up who is decent and who isn't around here.

Justifying this...it's unjustifiable. This thread is really eye opening. I never thought I'd see ordinary mothers justifying the murder of neonates, a war crime.