nanny salary expectations

[Naya91]

HI mum/dads and nannies.
I need some advice.
I have being a nanny for almost 6 years and my current job is coming to an end soon😕, I work there 38 hours per week getting £10phn.
So I have done a few interviews and one of them said that I am the number one candidate for them.
We had our first deep discussion about salary and basically when they asked what was my salary expectations on the interview I said it was £11phn, they need someone 60 hours per week which I understand which can be quite a hefty bill to pay. A few weeks after I had done the test they told me that they can't afford £11nph and suggested if we could do gross salary(ps.nannytax advised to do gross) or come with some ideas to discuss father.
In my eyes doing gross is not so good as I will be taking less than £10 per hour and living in London paying high rent is not easy.
I really like this family and I'm struggling to think what would work best for everyone.
let me know your opinions they will really appreciated. Thank you for your time.

I think from what you have written that you know the answer already, as it doesn't sound like the rent / commute will be very affordable. I am currently advertising for a PT nanny in Berkshire via an agency, and their suggestion was £12.50 an hour PT (generally they advertise at £10-12 per hour FT). So I would expect London to be more, perhaps you should go through an agency and they can support you in the pay negotiations. As a mother I would say that there will always be jobs for a good nanny so hold your ground!

I do understand that living in London is very expensive but I have been a nanny for 30 years and barely get what you are asking. For 60 hours a week, they will be paying £51,600 per year to employ you. That's £4,300 a month! My bosses are both high earners but with their every day living expenses, would struggle to be able to afford that plus feeding me, classes, outings, petrol, etc!

If you cannot afford to live on less than £660 a week then obviously you can't take it but I don't think there is any compromise if they cannot afford to pay you that amount.

If they want to pay you £11 per hour gross, you will be taking home £509 per week. That is still a good wage fora nanny with 6 years experience. They will then be paying out £34,400 a year/£2,868 a month, that is a huge difference for them.

They are absolutely right to quote you a gross wage.

You will be working 60 hours to your current 38, that's more than a 50% increase in hours. Is that what you want?

If you are ok with that, then a lower net hourly wage should still let you cover your bills given the increased hours.

And don't forget, on those hours and that net, you would be a higher rate taxpayer so even harder for them to pay you on the basis of a net salary.

Suggest you work out your acceptable gross per hour and propose it to them; keep looking if it doesn't work out.

Thank you for message. It does make sense. I agreed on wage salary it'll be a lot advantages there as well.

I think 11per he net is reasonable tbh. But convert into gross roughly. So say £13per hr gross

We have a part time cleaner and nanny, in London ( housekeeper/ nanny I suppose), we pay £15 gross per hr.

As an experienced nanny outside of London but still in South East, I get less than £10nph. Central London does tend to be around £10-12nph (more for a nannyshare or part time) but it does depend on location and does depend on the parents ability to pay. They are able to offer a salary they can afford to pay (and gross is now more common, due to various factors, not least that pensions are starting) and applicants need to decide if they will work for that amount on offer.

What amount are they offering gross? £10 gross per hour? Where in London... it does vary a bit between areas.

As callaird said that's an insane salary for an employer to pay and as hours increase the hourly rate does go down a bit

Tbh earning £10nett is a good wage for someone with 6yrs exp

You have survived on £380 take home so not sure why you can't survive on £600 take home if agreed £10 nett

Yes we all like a payrise but going up a£1 an hour nett is more like £2.50 extra an hour + for the employer

Saying all that I don't believe in nett and always talk gross

So the family was right to discuss a gross figure with you

Why the sudden increase from 38 to 60

60hr weeks are shattering and social life goes during the week

Thank you for message. I have accepted the gross taking into consideration all the other things and I'm happy with my choice. My current employment is 38 hours but the new employers needs these much hours of 60 per week because and it's so close to home I thought it is worth taking it as the time spent on the tube getting to work will be getting paid.
I did manage to survive with my current employment but is not the only place I work I do work in the evenings to stretch my salary otherwise it would be difficult to survive with 380 pw but as you said we all like a pay rise however I also took into account what a net salary would cost them. And regards to my social life I think I will be able to have much free time to myself when I start my new job that now because to go to my main job it takes me 1hour and 15mints which way plus the part time I do in the evening until 10pm, I belive it'll be tiring but I'm sure I will have all my evenings to myself as I will give up the hours in the evening. So I think I could socialise a bit more then than now it's what I hope at least. 😊

Your are looking at a miniscule number of people who will pay £51K per year for a nanny, whatever hours they are doing. They will adjust their lifestyle, find alternative solutions, etc before doing that.

It's not clear to me from your posts that you understood what the £11 nph wage would add to up to for the parents - this is also something you should be aware of, for your personal financial protection as well and being in a strong negotiating position.

From your last post I think you have to really think about whether nannying long term is for you. Because the salary progression, given that many employers you will encounter are working people themselves trying to find the money out of their own net pay, is never going to be great. I am not being critical and totally see where you are coming from- I am just saying to leave it too late to do something about it.

sorry 'don't' leave it too late...