What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

[Newbabynewhouse]

I've put this on AIBU rather than weight loss jab because I want a neutral audience rather than people who are all using the jab.
What are peoples thoughts on the jab? I'd love to hear from someone educated in the medical field about whether these are actually safe for people without diabetes.
I'm obese and I have lost a stone so far by dieting although it's taking me a long time! I know if I keep trying hard I can lose what I need to. Lots of people I know have started dropping weight from using the jabs and I am tempted however, can't shake a feeling that there's something not quite right.
What I mean by this is... these jabs have been around for years for diabetic people, so why have they only just been 'released' to people despite obesity effecting the NHS for years?
I know a woman who fainted in work the other day with gallbladder issues, she's on the jab.
Also, I'm going to sound a little conspiracy theorist now, but, isn't it odd these jabs became popular straight after people starting refusing to have more covid jabs..?.. I'd love to hear from people with a bit of background info or medical professionals to tell me whether I'm overthinking or if I'm onto something?

1 of the good things is that these drugs are becoming one of the most widely researched drugs in history. Not just by doctors who would benefit from pharma support (ie endocrinologists etc), bit academics and clinical researchers across multiple medical fields.

The impact on body systems is notable. It comes down, in large part, to dampening down inflammation.

If there are lawsuits I would imagine it would be about how they were told to take them, or hour much they were prescribed. And at this stage they've been prescribed for maybe 15 years, starting with people who had serious co-morbidities.

Side effects are already well known, and therefore we know what to look out for. Doesn't mean a problem won't ever arise, but at the moment anyway, the physical benefits of using it far outweigh any issues. Edited: The impact of obesity on health services will start reducing once the drugs are out of patent, which from a purely economic pov is another bonus for all of us.

But so could entering later life with a high BMI. There's been sone really unpleasant posts on here which absolutely shine a light on the weird moral aspect of weight gain and loss. The pp who talked about the 'overweight crew banging on about a mystery reason for their inability to lose'. Well yes, the now medically recognised issues of grehlin, insulin resistance and GLP1 agonists. No longer a mystery and being treated. Why is that a moral issue? If obesity can be classed as a chronic disease it can be safely treated long-term with GLP1 just like blood pressure or whatever. If it makes the 'cheating' crew feel better, you still have to not eat as much. I still, as I'm short, have to stick to about 800 cals if I want to stand any chance of weight loss. That's pretty tough. If GLP1 makes that achievable so I can enter my 50s avoiding obesity related illness then I'll sacrifice my medal for doing it 'properly ' . The pp who likened them to performance enhancing drugs is ludicrous. Its not a competition. There is no performance to enhance.

Do you put that on dating profiles?

I wouldn’t date anyone so narrow minded, it would be good to know if they were before wasting time with them!

I mean they could be

Attractive
Financially stable
Kind
Loyal
Trustworthy

But if they have dared to take control of their health issue, then not datable.

Do you feel the same about people who use aids (patches, sprays etc), to stop smoking?

Or is your judgement just saved for fat people?

“Cheating” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

2 million adults in the Uk currently take them ( including quite a lot who don’t qualify for them) so if they were going to cause serious issues we would know about it by now. Once the pills come out they will be way cheaper and it’ll probably be more like 5 million, maybe 10.

Honestly the cheating thing is weird ( as is the anger by people who qualify to get them over people who don’t getting them anyway). It does show how we’ve made weight into a moral battleground and that there are negative associations with being overweight ( ie assumptions that fat people are lazy, weak willed, greedy etc). Then we combatted that narrrative with another one that said “no they’re not but people overeat for emotional reasons and you need to address those first- you won’t lose weight unless you understand why you overeat”. Well I guess we can kick both those narratives to the kerb but they are reluctant to die.

Covid jabs are entirely different and are no longer available for most people - many people were not refusing them.

As for weight loss jab - absolutely amazing. All obese people should do it if they can afford it or get it on prescription, They are life changers and minimal side effects.

I have a few friends who took it for a while, one started to have eyesight issues, one had terrible vomiting (enough to be hospitalised), one had regular vomiting episodes (but still wants to continue), one lost lots of hair and so stopped. I think everyone just has to weigh up the risks and see whether its worth it.

Anyone losing weight very rapidly is liable to have gallbladder issues. It happens due to the fat moving en masse through the gallbladder. Could happen on a regular crash diet. It's not specific to the WLI.

The gall bladder issues are related to the weight loss, not the medication. My friend had bariatric surgery about a year before I started Mounjaro.

We have each lost around 40% of our original weight. She has had to have gall bladder surgery, I haven’t.

The drugs are safe and are hopefully going to make future generations far healthier.

It doesn't sit right with me. I can feel it in my waters. You never know what 'they' are up to.

I've lost around 3 stone on them and my body feels more capable than it ever has.

As someone who has had lifelong struggles with weight, I think they are fantastic.

I work in HR and we've had around a dozen people end up in hospital this year, all in their 30s-50s with gall bladder and other issues related to the jab so it's not something I would touch. At first we thought there was something at work making everyone sick until the link to the jab was identified. People still take it though. Also everyone who is on it looks ill, it does something weird to peoples faces, makes them look older.

I don’t believe for a second they've got anything to do with Covid, but surely those who are anti vax and refuse vaccinations will also be anti weight loss jabs?

I have never had any weight issues so I don’t know much about these injections. I do vaguely wonder about the long term effects in the same way I think about vaping.

I’m naturally slim but my goodness, I am all for these jabs.

Some of my friends are on them whilst attending the gym and they are doing and looking phenomenal. I can’t really understand why people choose not to use them.

I do think you can tell who is using them if they don’t go to the gym.. the facial hollowness is definitely a thing, but choose health over face every single time.

What a load of absolute crap. Must be hard living life in such a weirdly unspecified suspicious way. Who are 'they'?

Again, not true. Im.on it. I dont look older, have had nothing but a slew of compliments a.d havent ended up.in hospital. Anecdata is not evidence.

I know people who get them through the post, having never spoken with their dr about it.

That’s what worries me- that it is so available, online, without a drs approval.

I think they are fantastic and looking forward to starting them soon. People who have never struggled to lose weight haven’t got a clue how blooming hard it is. Less obesity = less strain on the NHS so imo they should be more readily available.

Menopausal, weight was going up, I’ve lost nearly 3 stone, my health has improved, no more aches and pains. It’s no one else’s business and I couldn’t give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks

Does insulin sit right with you? What about antibiotics? Or vaccines? Or decongestants?

What do your waters have to say about birth control pills?

@Lastpushtothesummit do you think smokers who take nicotine replacement or patches to help stop are cheating?

Absolutely this
There is no shortcut for a healthy diet and exercise
The muscle loss is particularly worrying
I can spot someone on them a mile off, they might weigh less but they dont look healthy
Its like the body has been draped over their skeleton and it ruins your face
Hey ho then you can buy face injections ...

I ended up with gallbladder issues in my 30's too, before ever touching mounjaro.

Have you heard of the four 'F's', the medical mnemonic for those most likely to get gallbladder problems showing up?

Female. Fat. Fertile. Thirty/Forty.

Those are the people most at risk, mounjaro or not. I'd imagine a large proportion of people on the jabs fits this description.

Before I started Mounjaro I was nervous about the pancreatitus too, so I looked it up. The incidence of acute pancreatitus in mounjaro patients is around 0.2%.

Do you know what does makes you three times more likely to get acute pancreatitus though? Being morbidly obese.

Seemed lile a no brainer to me. And I'm so glad I ignored all the moral granstanding and scaremongering.

So your opinion of them is solely based on looks? Shallow.

I'm on the fence about them, that's perhaps because I have both high blood pressure and diabetes, however, can't be prescribed them on the NHS because I don't meet the obesity threshold - I'm technically obese (BMI 31) but not obese enough. I'm constantly watching what I eat and always get 10k steps in a day at least. As it goes, I'm autistic with OCD - so well aware of food noise. I suppose I'm a bit shocked that a medication developed specifically for people like me isn't available to me. I'm unsure what I think about the NHS prescribing 'off label' while NICE guidelines prohibit prescribing on label for someone who that the NHS website states needs to lose 3 stone. I have been unable to lose this 3 stone for 10 years. That said, I realise I could be jealous of others who are able to secure this medication for their needs. It's not their fault that the medication is rationed.

On the other hand, I'm a teacher and weirdly after the summer hols last year a bunch of staff came back noticeably thinner. All were on the jabs, privately, and none of them any bigger than me originally. Although correlation isn't necessarily causation, many of these staff had significantly more sick days than the rest of us due to illnesses associated with their digestive systems - think 3 weeks rather than 3 days. This cost the school quite a bit in cover. Two of these members of staff who I'm friendly with stopped taking the jabs because of the illness element, both are now back to the same weight as me.

I suppose in the final analysis I sort of think that medication developed for a purpose shouldn't be rationed so that it's available for another purpose. However, I also think that people should be able to do with their own bodies whatever they choose, as long as it doesn't affect others.