What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

[Newbabynewhouse]

I've put this on AIBU rather than weight loss jab because I want a neutral audience rather than people who are all using the jab.
What are peoples thoughts on the jab? I'd love to hear from someone educated in the medical field about whether these are actually safe for people without diabetes.
I'm obese and I have lost a stone so far by dieting although it's taking me a long time! I know if I keep trying hard I can lose what I need to. Lots of people I know have started dropping weight from using the jabs and I am tempted however, can't shake a feeling that there's something not quite right.
What I mean by this is... these jabs have been around for years for diabetic people, so why have they only just been 'released' to people despite obesity effecting the NHS for years?
I know a woman who fainted in work the other day with gallbladder issues, she's on the jab.
Also, I'm going to sound a little conspiracy theorist now, but, isn't it odd these jabs became popular straight after people starting refusing to have more covid jabs..?.. I'd love to hear from people with a bit of background info or medical professionals to tell me whether I'm overthinking or if I'm onto something?

There's no 'must' with hormonal contraception in person, I assure you! I've been given months worth of it based on my unverified and remote say so. I think blood pressure procedures must vary, but there's the complicating factor of white coat syndrome there too. There does have to be some facility for people to self report because of that.

I used to be surprised, but have stopped being, that people have so little idea how common self-reporting and remote consultations are in health care systems and don't check before advocating reform. I'm also not surprised that people don't want to engage with the resource constraints. Because it's one thing highlighting risks, but there isn't a magic appointment tree either.

On the point about not stopping people becoming obese, WLIs are for treating existing problems. They're not going to stop them from happening in advance, but that's true of a lot of medication.

I wonder if there's going to be many more benefits to WLIs we don't yet know about....

@musicandmenwhere have your got Retratrutide from?

It’s nice to not have to battle with your self control regarding food every day

I don’t think obesity can be solved overnight. We have far too lax regulation on food, kids that don’t know how to cook, a surprising amount of food deserts, alcohol on demand, poor public transport in many areas so people drive more and walk or cycle less (even to trains or buses). Data on obesity among children shows that black and south Asian children are less likely to be obese, which appears to be linked to eating home cooked food. There’s a lot that could be improved. WLIs are part of the solution for some people, for sure. But at the moment we’re waiting for people to become obese or pre-diabetic, and then providing drugs to reverse it. That’s insane! Any progressive nation should be trying to prevent ill health, not mitigate it after the fact. Imagine if the cure for lung cancer became available and we encouraged everyone to start smoking and using asbestos because not to worry, we can fix you now.

Sure I will answer, i already did uo thread, it was Peri caused a huge spike in cortisol which caused weight gain, which then caused high blood pressure rhey couldn’t control I was on max dosage of 2 bp drugs, and sleep apnea and insulin resistance

im now 6 and a half stone down, down from a bmi 32 to 20, dress size 18 to 8, maintaining for over 18 months, I feel great.

i am staying on because i know that it’s not just about knowing what to do, it’s doing it, and i dont want to live my life with the mental struggle of constantly being hungry and deprived, as at some point, i cant keep doing that and i shall regain.

I also want the health benefits mounjaro brings, so we now know its improved cardio vascular health, improved fatty liver, it slows, stops or reverses ageing in our internal organs, as they are able to regenerate as the inflammation goes, and significantly reduces a number of cancers. This is on top of controlling blood sugar and ensuring optimal insulin resistance.

so for preventative maintence I am staying on and I can honestly say my quality of life, is much better for it.

again though, everyone is free to make their own choices. This is mine.

You know how PCOS has just been renamed? There's a lot of research into metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance now.
Considering how much it costs, I doubt they're trying to disguise Covid jabs, which don't seem to be given even to certain workers now (we get flu jabs and about 4 years ago, Covid but haven't been offered this for years).

Sorry I don't know what you mean here. Every society that gets enough resources to feed all the population as much as they want for whole lifetimes starts seeing rising obesity rates sooner or later. Even Japan is climbing, albeit from a low starting rate. And they smoke much more than we do.

Not all countries have increasing obesity rated because not all of them can offer their populations constant access to more food than they need for their whole lives. It's only in colder countries that people used to need lots of calories to stay warm, yes. Some countries with climbing obesity rates have never had populations who burned calories keeping warm in the cold.

I’m the only person in the known universe (!) for whom it doesn’t work. I’ve been on Mounjauro for 2 years. Starving hungry most of the time. Will power and the excitement saw me lose two stone in the first four months or so… since then I’ve stayed within 2 or 3lbs of the same weight. I suppose it’s stopped the yo yo ing but I just wish the Yo had stuck further down the scale!!

That must be so frustrating @Barkleyspaubles

Are you on the max dose?

Same, and it’s been a long time since I used hormonal contraception but my memory was that in person was required every X months and then they’d give you that many months supply. Maybe that makes no difference, but witness the outcry when a serious incident happens following a telephone GP appointment etc.

Of course there’s a limited number of appointments, that just seems like the wrong way round to me though. If we overwhelm the system with unnecessary drugs then of course there won’t be enough appointments, just like there isn’t enough help for alcohol use disorders since we all but deregulated the sale of alcohol, for example. If we make everything readily available a chunk of people will get lost in it, no shit. The same is true of food and now WLIs.

There might well be further benefits of peptides, there’s lots of testing going on. I also hate the idea that these things are being tested on animals. Test it on humans by all means, but these are lifestyle drugs being tried out. That alone would deter me.

Very true, it’s reactive instead of proactive and doesn’t deal with the huge challenge of poor diet and lifestyle choices.
’influencers’ glamourising huge snack hauls or all you can eat buffets., just one example of how the country is encouraging crap eating habits

Can I make a plea on behalf of those of us who - for whatever reason - are excluded from experiencing the wonders of WLI to those of you on it. Please please when you are in our company having food together don’t make a big thing telling me you’re full. Stuffed. Had enough. As you leave food on your plate. Please just be full and leave the food without needing to announce it. I really am happy for you, but I’m still in the head fuck of food noise that you may also have had before but are now well rid, and it makes me feel like shit.

You don't need a covid conspiracy theory. The food industry makes ultra processed food (more lucrative), people get obese, sick, then then stay on medication for life (yet more profit). One thing feeds the other.
I don't think it was deliberately planned, but works neatly.

They’re not working particularly well for my mum either.

She’s lost 7lbs in 6 months, on 5mg for most of it.

Her symptoms are horrendous so she doesn’t want to move up, but she’s not had any meaningful loss on the dose that’s knocking her sick.

Personally, I’d have come off them by now if I was her.

Unfortunately being cold doesn’t burn as many extra calories as you might think! And the solution is precisely that - stop offering more food than anyone could ever possibly need! Foods are allowed to be filled with all manner of shit, why do we find that acceptable if it means people can inject themselves with the antidote?

Weight loss jabs don’t work for everyone. Some diabetics are fat people.

Does the second paragraph mean you think medication is the thing that's causing the need for appointments, rather than the existence of the conditions themselves? I suppose technically you're right in that there are lots of things people would just die of if we didn't medicate, but that seems a rather drastic response to appointment shortages!

You state that if we make everything available more people will get lost in it. Interestingly, the only society that looks like it might have reduced obesity rates (excepting famine and similar) is the US over the last couple of years. As WLIs became more available.

I'll reply to your other post to me here too- keeping warm in the cold burns more calories than needed if the person is in warmer temperatures. Presumably we all know that even small calorie surplus leads to weight gain over time. And there still aren't any societies that have managed to avoid rising obesity rates once they got resource rich whilst not having lots of the population on appetite suppressants.

In terms of not offering more food than people need, this isn't going to happen outside a totalitarian society. And possibly not even then. No government is going to get away with that level of rationing and control over what people produce themselves.

No-one should be starving hungry if they eat the right quantities of protein and food that offers satiety.

Depends, I was eating 4000/5000 calories a day and always flipping hungry and not gaining weight - medically I was ill

Does the second paragraph mean you think medication is the thing that's causing the need for appointments, rather than the existence of the conditions themselves? I suppose technically you're right in that there are lots of things people would just die of if we didn't medicate, but that seems a rather drastic response to appointment shortages!

I think it’s a mixture, of course we shouldn’t allow people to die rather than medicate but that’s largely not the issue with WLIs so comparing to live saving - rather than health improving - medication seems out of place to me. If obesity is already life threatening a patient would be on more than WLIs while they lose weight right?

The factors driving obesity are relatively universal yes, and things like processed food are a huge one. It’s not totalitarian to say ‘hey, maybe we don’t need all these UPFs?’

And yes, bodies use more calories being cold but do you think humans in cold countries are just shivering? Of course they’re not! So the calorie differential between, say Finland and UK based on temperature alone is negligible.

Stop with the nonsense that people who dare to disagree with you, have “something wrong with them”, you gave me that line as well!

You think accusing someone that opposes your view, is drunk, stoned or on pills?

What “pills”’are you thinking they’re on?

But as with any medication, it needs to be accompanied by the work on why the disease occurred. We know why heart disease happens and how to prevent/reduce it and while it’s of course good to treat obese people, it’s even better to prevent them becoming obese, isn’t it? I think a civilised and responsible society should encourage citizens to look after themselves, not just sell them drugs to fix things.

No, not religious. It seems to me that you’ll grab any random defence mechanism rather than look beyond your own positive experience. Any medical advancement has bigger consequences - good and bad - than for the individual.

If you're not too busy then, would you like to explain how autoimmune diseases occur? I'm sure it would be terribly useful for the medical profession to learn your insights and why it isn't appropriate to use medications that have been proven to have significant positive effects.

Please include your arguments against biologics, corticosteroids, diabetes medication and pain relief as well as a specific case for the incidence in babies and small children and how they can be blamed for their immune system dysfunction, too.

And the WHO make no financial gain from this at all do they??!!!