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AIBU to be upset after a dog jumped at our baby?

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KellyK2026 · Today 12:14

Okay, so myself, DH and baby were at a country park the other week. Baby was getting hungry so we sat ourselves down on a park bench and got some food out. A woman was walking with her family and dog and the dog must’ve smelt the food as it suddenly
comes bounding over and is jumping at baby (who is on DH knee) to get the food. We don’t know this dog and don’t know what it's capable of. I scream at the owner that we have a baby and to get her dog under control. At this point, she’s pretty far away and is taking her time to come over. My DH then kicks the dog to get it off them as it just will not stop. The woman wasn’t particularly apologetic and seemed shocked. Did we overreact?

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GoodGirlFaith · Today 15:19

hangingplant742 · Today 15:15

Harnessed to the seats 😂

Clearly a bloody good picnic. I'm thinking Fortnum & Mason hamper.

nomas · Today 15:20

hangingplant742 · Today 15:17

Very well trained dogs still love food. Everyone knows this. It’s not reasonable to expect a dog to not be interested in food - they read the world very very much through smell. The dog doesn’t need further training. You just need to train your husband to unbend his knees and stand up next time you come across a dog interested in your picnic contents.

If everyone knows dogs love food then every dog owner should keep their dog by their knee if they see people eating.

It's not fair to put the onus on strangers to control your dog.

hangingplant742 · Today 15:20

Thinkofnewthings · Today 15:14

No one “needs” training in understanding dogs. I personally think all dogs should be on a lead, if not muzzled, in all public places if they are to be allowed in.

They do if they are giving their children a life long fear of dogs by screaming when a dog approaches interested in food. Poor child will be more distressed from the mother screaming than the dog at this point.

nomas · Today 15:21

GoodGirlFaith · Today 15:19

Clearly a bloody good picnic. I'm thinking Fortnum & Mason hamper.

Even if it's just sandwiches and crisps, why should it end up on the ground wasted because someone won't control their dog?

Vivi0 · Today 15:21

Ladamesansmerci · Today 15:16

I think that's an instinctive response to an animal coming up to your baby.

Dogs have no business being off lead where there is a play park where children are. That's the end of it.

Excited dogs nip. Even a small bite is large and dangerous to a baby.

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I don’t think it’s an instinctive response at all to the situation.

Standing up and moving away is an instinctive response.

Kicking the animal is just aggression. Probably not helped by the OP screaming.

Vivi0 · Today 15:22

nomas · Today 15:21

Even if it's just sandwiches and crisps, why should it end up on the ground wasted because someone won't control their dog?

Because sometimes in life shit just happens.

nomas · Today 15:23

Vivi0 · Today 15:22

Because sometimes in life shit just happens.

Yes, and dog owners who don't control their dogs risk their dogs getting kicked.

Hellohelga · Today 15:23

Melsy88 · Today 14:30

Why ask for peoples opinions if you only want to hear those that match your own?

Precisely. OP has made her mind up. It was a massive drama and DH was fully justified in booting the pooch.

shhhh2025 · Today 15:23

Thinkofnewthings · Today 13:26

It’s not ridiculous at all. I thought the same thing.

It’s completely ridiculous and the police will not be interested.

KellyK2026 · Today 15:24

GoodGirlFaith · Today 15:17

I didn't write 'grab' the dog, I wrote 'shoo' or move away' which you could have done had you actually stood up. It makes little sense to me that you both just sat there, because your picnic was on the table, while a dog jumped chaotically about you and your baby.

The dog ought to have been on a lead if it is known to jump up at people and food but I can't understand why you just both sat there while this dog was all around you and with it's paws on your baby.

The kicking the dog could have been avoided had you moved away. And to do that, you'd have needed to stand up.

We blocked the dog. We told it no. I moved the food. I shouted for the owner. It would not stop. It’s easy to say you should’ve done this, you should’ve done that. You weren’t there. My immediate reaction wasn’t to get up, it was to shield my baby and, honestly, I was expecting the owner to be a lot more responsive. She could’ve been there a lot quicker and she chose not to. Instead of looking at what we apparently did wrong, what about the owner? She had numerous options. Put her dog on the lead. Train her dog. Actually react when your dog does something like that. This is an adult dog we are talking about which is off a lead, with no recall, in an area highly populated with families and which, clearly, jumps up at people. She’s playing a dangerous game here because, as I mentioned, under the dangerous dog act, a dog doesn’t actually have to bite or injure for it to be considered a criminal
offence. A person can report a dog for feeling threatened. What she did was irresponsible to the people around her and the dog.

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Melsy88 · Today 15:24

shhhh2025 · Today 15:23

It’s completely ridiculous and the police will not be interested.

The police may actually be more interested in animal cruelty depending on the injuries to the dog.

Vivi0 · Today 15:25

nomas · Today 15:23

Yes, and dog owners who don't control their dogs risk their dogs getting kicked.

No, kicking a dog in the situation OP describes, is just abusing an animal.

Thinkofnewthings · Today 15:25

hangingplant742 · Today 15:20

They do if they are giving their children a life long fear of dogs by screaming when a dog approaches interested in food. Poor child will be more distressed from the mother screaming than the dog at this point.

The dog shouldn’t be approaching them at all.

Grumpyoldcat · Today 15:26

Probably made no difference screaming at the dog or kicking it. Unless it has its teeth in grab the collar.

Balloonhearts · Today 15:26

Comeondoreen · Today 13:58

I love dogs, but an unfamiliar, uncontrolled dog near my baby would absolutely get kicked. I don’t care one jot if that’s unkind. Of course, I would kick as gently as possible to get the dog away - could well just look like pushing the dog with your leg more than an actual kick. But it takes a special kind of wet to think being kind to an unknown dog should trump your baby’s safety.

You don't ever do that unless the dog is actually attacking you. You are becoming the aggressor, and it escalates the situation, making a bite far more likely. A friendly but exuberant dog who gets kicked is much more likely to react out of confusion or fear. It's trying to play. So when the other person/dog reacts with hostility, the dog will be more likely to do the same.

You stand up, tell it loudly and firmly to sit/down/leave it. (Most dogs will know at least one of them)

KellyK2026 · Today 15:26

hangingplant742 · Today 15:20

They do if they are giving their children a life long fear of dogs by screaming when a dog approaches interested in food. Poor child will be more distressed from the mother screaming than the dog at this point.

baby isn’t scared of dogs, but thanks for your concern.

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nomas · Today 15:26

Melsy88 · Today 14:30

Why ask for peoples opinions if you only want to hear those that match your own?

81% of people have voted OP is not being unreasonable, so OP is right to get support.

I love dogs, I love watching them on YT and I usually pet any dogs that come to me, but they can be scary if they come up out of the blue, so I can see how OP reacted instinctively.

KellyK2026 · Today 15:27

Balloonhearts · Today 15:26

You don't ever do that unless the dog is actually attacking you. You are becoming the aggressor, and it escalates the situation, making a bite far more likely. A friendly but exuberant dog who gets kicked is much more likely to react out of confusion or fear. It's trying to play. So when the other person/dog reacts with hostility, the dog will be more likely to do the same.

You stand up, tell it loudly and firmly to sit/down/leave it. (Most dogs will know at least one of them)

We told it all of those things and blocked it numerous times. It didn’t listen and actually got more hyper. The kick was actually really effective.

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Deadleaves77 · Today 15:28

Cammyy · Today 13:19

Yanbu for being furious at the owner, but oh man, reading that your DH kicked the dog really breaks my heart as a massive dog lover.

Don't get me wrong, the owner is an absolute idiot and 100% in the wrong here. If your dog doesn't have bulletproof recall, it belongs on a lead, especially around a busy park where people are eating! Dogs are natural scavengers; if they smell a sandwich, their brain just goes "food!" and they investigate. It is entirely the owner's responsibility to manage that. Taking her sweet time to stroll over while her dog is bothering a baby is just infuriating and gives good dog owners a bad name. She completely set her poor dog up to fail.

I do totally get the primal instinct to protect your baby. When panic sets in and a strange animal is in your kid's face, you just react. But the poor pup was literally just being a dog and following its nose, it wasn't trying to attack anyone. Usually standing up quickly, turning your back, or just blocking them with a knee is enough to bounce a food-motivated dog away without having to actually kick them.

So I completely validate you screaming at the woman. She's a terrible owner and I'd have had a few choice words for her myself. But I just can't help feeling so sorry for the dog who ended up getting kicked just because its human is totally irresponsible!

Do you think a dog wouldn't bite a human who ran up jumping all over its puppies? Every single other animal would kick/bite that dog. Its completely natural to be worried about a strange animal jumping up repeatedly at your baby and act accordingly, dogs are just lucky that most humans dont react the way of other animals half the time

If the owner doesnt want their dog to get kicked they need to do a better job protecting it. Its not everyone else's responsibility to constantly manage poor and irritating behaviour by other people's dogs. If you jump up at someones baby your going to get kicked. It is both the owner and the dogs fault

Hellohelga · Today 15:28

theneighbourgotmycake · Today 14:33

just train your dog properly and it won't be an issue, it's not that hard.

You can find very good dog trainers to help you out if you not confident.

Screaming and kicking is an overreaction. it's not.

She didn’t ask if dogs should be on leads around kids and picnic. They should and I agree with you re training.

BUT she asked if screaming and kicking a spaniel type dog (not an xl bully) was an overreaction. Imagine if everyone in the park did that each time a curious dog came over. Lots of highly strung PPs on this post.

KellyK2026 · Today 15:29

Melsy88 · Today 15:24

The police may actually be more interested in animal cruelty depending on the injuries to the dog.

Your are joking, right? You are aware that we would’ve been well within our rights to report that dog under section 3 of the dangerous dogs act.

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Funnywonder · Today 15:29

hangingplant742 · Today 15:07

She was sauntering over because she knows her dog is no threat to your baby. You sound hysterical tbh. Why would you think the dog wanted to bite anyone? What a weird assumption. You had food, a dog came over excited at the food. No more serious than that. Kicking the dog is abuse.

Do you think that any dog owner whose dog bites someone, knows for sure they’re going to do it? My cousin was bitten by a dog she used to see almost every day in the park. It just ran up out of the blue and went for her. A Labrador cross of some kind. It was closely followed by its shocked owner claiming that the dog had ‘never done that before.’ That’s usually how it happens. I wouldn’t ever assume that any dog wasn’t likely to bite me or my children. Better to err on the side of caution than end up in A&E.

KellyK2026 · Today 15:29

Hellohelga · Today 15:28

She didn’t ask if dogs should be on leads around kids and picnic. They should and I agree with you re training.

BUT she asked if screaming and kicking a spaniel type dog (not an xl bully) was an overreaction. Imagine if everyone in the park did that each time a curious dog came over. Lots of highly strung PPs on this post.

I hope this is the last time I have to say this on this Thread. It wasn’t a spaniel.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 15:30

KellyK2026 · Today 15:24

We blocked the dog. We told it no. I moved the food. I shouted for the owner. It would not stop. It’s easy to say you should’ve done this, you should’ve done that. You weren’t there. My immediate reaction wasn’t to get up, it was to shield my baby and, honestly, I was expecting the owner to be a lot more responsive. She could’ve been there a lot quicker and she chose not to. Instead of looking at what we apparently did wrong, what about the owner? She had numerous options. Put her dog on the lead. Train her dog. Actually react when your dog does something like that. This is an adult dog we are talking about which is off a lead, with no recall, in an area highly populated with families and which, clearly, jumps up at people. She’s playing a dangerous game here because, as I mentioned, under the dangerous dog act, a dog doesn’t actually have to bite or injure for it to be considered a criminal
offence. A person can report a dog for feeling threatened. What she did was irresponsible to the people around her and the dog.

So you had an understanding of what the dog was looking for. You had time to protect the baby and move the food, see the owner approach albeit slowly and your DH still kicked the dog?
I don’t agree with allowing dogs off lead. My dog is always on a leash and is not social so I don’t appreciate unleashed dogs either.
I wouldn’t kick one unless the dog was attacking me. I might shout at their owner or kick them if I had to lash out.

Balloonhearts · Today 15:31

KellyK2026 · Today 15:27

We told it all of those things and blocked it numerous times. It didn’t listen and actually got more hyper. The kick was actually really effective.

You were lucky. A lot of dogs will meet aggression with aggression. Kicking it endangers you and your baby. You should have just stood up.

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