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AIBU to be upset after a dog jumped at our baby?

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 12:14

Okay, so myself, DH and baby were at a country park the other week. Baby was getting hungry so we sat ourselves down on a park bench and got some food out. A woman was walking with her family and dog and the dog must’ve smelt the food as it suddenly
comes bounding over and is jumping at baby (who is on DH knee) to get the food. We don’t know this dog and don’t know what it's capable of. I scream at the owner that we have a baby and to get her dog under control. At this point, she’s pretty far away and is taking her time to come over. My DH then kicks the dog to get it off them as it just will not stop. The woman wasn’t particularly apologetic and seemed shocked. Did we overreact?

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 16:39

Liverpool52 · Yesterday 16:36

Those who choose not to have dogs shouldn't have to be dog savvy because some of those who do have dogs apparently aren't dog savvy either.

That’s exactly my thoughts. I’ll never own a giraffe so I’m not going to spend hours of my life learning about giraffe behaviour. However, if I was a dog owner I’d see it as completely my responsibly to train my dog and I wouldn’t expect other people to learn about my animal just because I don’t want to train it or put it on a lead.

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JaneFoe · Yesterday 16:40

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 16:02

Yes, the dog was jumping up and down at our baby and actually made contact with our baby several times. It wasn’t peacefully sniffing out sandwiches.

Why didn’t your husband stand up instead of stay sitting on a picnic bench? Instinct to kick a dog but not to stand up.

Funnywonder · Yesterday 16:43

WhatNoRaisins · Yesterday 16:24

I think doggo types need to get their heads around the fact that they can't just assume that randoms will know how to handle their dog. We aren't all dog owners and someone with no intentions of owning one is going to have better things to do than learn about dog behaviour. Keep your dog away from strangers.

I understand why DH kicked it. I don't get why some people think that you should have just stood back and let the dog have your food either. You're not a free doggo cafe.

I agree with every word of this. Posters with experience of dogs tell other people what they should have done in a particular situation. Why the hell am I expected to make an on the scene risk assessment about the behaviour of a dog? I’m even supposed to assume that the owner’s lackadaisical response is due to the fact that she knows her dog is harmless. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Vivi0 · Yesterday 16:43

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 16:25

I wasn’t sat on a bench screaming either.

So, if you weren’t standing, and you weren’t sitting, what were you doing? You certainly weren’t removing your baby from the situation.

Why are you and your husband acting like you’ve never been outside in a park before?

Kicking a dog, before it would even occur to you to stand up away from the animal, is mental behaviour.

FirmSnake · Yesterday 16:44

JaneFoe · Yesterday 16:40

Why didn’t your husband stand up instead of stay sitting on a picnic bench? Instinct to kick a dog but not to stand up.

Ideally he'd have been able to stand up for more leverage, a more effective kick.

Wiennetta · Yesterday 16:49

I have a nervous dog. I’m often having to manage other people’s badly behaved dogs and sometimes their children too haha.

Random things that have happened in the last couple of weeks:

  • Two hyper off lead dogs came bounding up to my dog. She was on a lead. They were jumping on her - probably friendly but an on-lead dog can feel quite intimidated by off-lead dogs. I asked the owner to call his dogs back but they ignored him and so I ended up basically moving between them and my dog and pushing them away until the owner arrived.
  • Waiting in a queue, outside for a coffee stall. Parent of a toddler not really engaged with child who kept showing interest in my dog. Child said ‘can I pet the dog’ and parent said ‘yes’ (without asking me!) and child came running up to us, freaking dog out. I had to keep moving her away from child and standing between them as child obviously didn’t understand, parent oblivious.

My point is that we should all manage human/dog and dog/dog interactions. And if the responsible adult isn’t doing it it falls on others to try and manage it. I don’t think I was unreasonable for trying to push away someone else’s dog or for trying to body block my dog from a toddler. You just have to if the actual person who should be managing the situation isn’t…

And my other point is plenty of dog owners are also annoyed by out of control dogs!!

sunshine314 · Yesterday 16:50

Don't worry OP, I would have kicked the dog too. Probably even harder.

Dog owners now are awful, so many out of control dogs.

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 16:51

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 16:39

That’s exactly my thoughts. I’ll never own a giraffe so I’m not going to spend hours of my life learning about giraffe behaviour. However, if I was a dog owner I’d see it as completely my responsibly to train my dog and I wouldn’t expect other people to learn about my animal just because I don’t want to train it or put it on a lead.

"I'm not going to steal my belongings so why should I have to lock my doors at night. It's not my responsibility to not steal them."

WhatNoRaisins · Yesterday 16:53

People lock their doors because they want their belongings to be safe. My point is that people prioritise putting effort into what matters to them. Non-dog owners are not likely to be interested in learning about dog behaviour because they don't own dogs.

DinonneS · Yesterday 16:53

I have had dogs all my life and don’t think you overreacted. My worst dog moment was when mine was a puppy and I took her to Hyde Park. I was still training her so kept her on the lead as it was a beautiful day and there were lots of people having picnics. Don’t know how it happened but I slipped a little on the grass and instinctively went to grab onto a tree and accidentally dropped her lead. Off she bolted straight to the nearest picnic and managed to grab a sandwich. I was mortified. They were so lovely about it but I apologised profusely and offered to get them a replacement. Mistakes happen but if you know your dog has no recall and is likely to jump at people, they should be kept on a leash 💯 of the time. I have one I’m happy to let off as she has amazing recall. Her sister, on the other hand, is hit and miss so I don’t take the chance unless we’re in an enclosed space. The responsibility is always on the owner to manage the situation

HedgerowD · Yesterday 16:59

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 16:51

"I'm not going to steal my belongings so why should I have to lock my doors at night. It's not my responsibility to not steal them."

People like you are such a problem in society. Just take some responsibility. I don't expect other people to learn about child development so they can react in the best way when my toddler is behaving badly. It's my child, my responsibility. Same with pets. Taking precautions against theft is completely different.

Ihateboris · Yesterday 17:01

I'm a dog owner and would have been absolutely mortified if my dog had done this. Although his recall is brilliant, no dog is absolutely 100%, so mine is always on a lead in public places.

Liverpool52 · Yesterday 17:02

WhatNoRaisins · Yesterday 16:53

People lock their doors because they want their belongings to be safe. My point is that people prioritise putting effort into what matters to them. Non-dog owners are not likely to be interested in learning about dog behaviour because they don't own dogs.

And in their own private home where they can expect security. In a public place everybody should behave accordingly.

The mental gymnastics that go on to justify the complete failure if some dog owners to control their dogs in public places is quite astonishing.

JaneFoe · Yesterday 17:03

FirmSnake · Yesterday 16:44

Ideally he'd have been able to stand up for more leverage, a more effective kick.

Ideally he would have stood up before the dog jumped at the baby a second time. The dog owner isn't the only irresponsible adult here.

sunshine314 · Yesterday 17:08

JaneFoe · Yesterday 17:03

Ideally he would have stood up before the dog jumped at the baby a second time. The dog owner isn't the only irresponsible adult here.

So someone gets assaulted, it's their fault for not reacting fast enough.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:09

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 16:51

"I'm not going to steal my belongings so why should I have to lock my doors at night. It's not my responsibility to not steal them."

A bit different.

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:10

JaneFoe · Yesterday 17:03

Ideally he would have stood up before the dog jumped at the baby a second time. The dog owner isn't the only irresponsible adult here.

try standing up while straddling a bench, trying to hold a squirming baby with a dog jumping up at you relentlessly. To stand up and potentially fall with the baby would be even more reckless.

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:12

Vivi0 · Yesterday 16:43

So, if you weren’t standing, and you weren’t sitting, what were you doing? You certainly weren’t removing your baby from the situation.

Why are you and your husband acting like you’ve never been outside in a park before?

Kicking a dog, before it would even occur to you to stand up away from the animal, is mental behaviour.

I said I was sitting. I don’t really care about your opinion as you don’t seem to be absorbing what I’m saying and most people agree with me.

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Notsosweetcaroline · Yesterday 17:12

Good grief. Next time just stand up with the baby, no need for drama nd violence.

ClaudiaWankleman · Yesterday 17:15

Liverpool52 · Yesterday 16:36

Those who choose not to have dogs shouldn't have to be dog savvy because some of those who do have dogs apparently aren't dog savvy either.

So people who don't drive cars shouldn't have to learn to cross the road and be safe around cars?

Dogs are a fact of society and it is really a responsibility of parents to teach their children how to behave appropriately around them so they grow up to be 'dog savvy' adults, as much as owners have a responsibility to rear dogs that aren't dangerous.

JaneFoe · Yesterday 17:16

sunshine314 · Yesterday 17:08

So someone gets assaulted, it's their fault for not reacting fast enough.

@KellyK2026 and her husband sat and screamed instead of standing up to protect a baby with no ability to protect themselves. The baby being jumped at repeatedly is their fault for not even attempting to stand up. They had plenty of time according to OP as the irresponsible dog owner was in no rush to get to her dog, allowing the poor dog to be kicked by a man who couldn't get off his backside to protect his child.

How exactly is that the same thing as blaming someone for being assaulted? The baby was the one at risk of injury. Reliant on parents for protection.

ClaudiaWankleman · Yesterday 17:17

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:12

I said I was sitting. I don’t really care about your opinion as you don’t seem to be absorbing what I’m saying and most people agree with me.

I'm not sure most people do agree with you. You obviously do care about opinions because you posted here to receive them.

Like most of the posters here I think you really overreacted, or at least didn't react in the most appropriate way to a situation that could have ended far worse than it did.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:17

Wiennetta · Yesterday 16:49

I have a nervous dog. I’m often having to manage other people’s badly behaved dogs and sometimes their children too haha.

Random things that have happened in the last couple of weeks:

  • Two hyper off lead dogs came bounding up to my dog. She was on a lead. They were jumping on her - probably friendly but an on-lead dog can feel quite intimidated by off-lead dogs. I asked the owner to call his dogs back but they ignored him and so I ended up basically moving between them and my dog and pushing them away until the owner arrived.
  • Waiting in a queue, outside for a coffee stall. Parent of a toddler not really engaged with child who kept showing interest in my dog. Child said ‘can I pet the dog’ and parent said ‘yes’ (without asking me!) and child came running up to us, freaking dog out. I had to keep moving her away from child and standing between them as child obviously didn’t understand, parent oblivious.

My point is that we should all manage human/dog and dog/dog interactions. And if the responsible adult isn’t doing it it falls on others to try and manage it. I don’t think I was unreasonable for trying to push away someone else’s dog or for trying to body block my dog from a toddler. You just have to if the actual person who should be managing the situation isn’t…

And my other point is plenty of dog owners are also annoyed by out of control dogs!!

Edited

Sorry to hear about your experience. I live near woodland where there’s loads of dog walkers and there’s a ridiculous number of them that have reported that their dog has been bitten by another dog. It’s such a shame as I see so many well trained dogs who are lovely but there is, unfortunately, a minority of disrespectful owners who don’t seem to understand that not everyone wants a dog in their personal space.

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:17

ClaudiaWankleman · Yesterday 17:17

I'm not sure most people do agree with you. You obviously do care about opinions because you posted here to receive them.

Like most of the posters here I think you really overreacted, or at least didn't react in the most appropriate way to a situation that could have ended far worse than it did.

Well most people do because there’s a poll

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 17:18

JaneFoe · Yesterday 17:16

@KellyK2026 and her husband sat and screamed instead of standing up to protect a baby with no ability to protect themselves. The baby being jumped at repeatedly is their fault for not even attempting to stand up. They had plenty of time according to OP as the irresponsible dog owner was in no rush to get to her dog, allowing the poor dog to be kicked by a man who couldn't get off his backside to protect his child.

How exactly is that the same thing as blaming someone for being assaulted? The baby was the one at risk of injury. Reliant on parents for protection.

Interesting that it’s our fault and not the dog owner

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