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To think Morocco should be embarrassed?

24 replies

TheBlueKoala · 31/07/2026 18:26

For having such a shit quality of life besides being a rich country that people are willing to flee to Europe?

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LuckyHazelFox · 31/07/2026 18:30

Well it makes a change from the UK needing to be embarrassed about anything and everything.

BIWI · 31/07/2026 18:33

But they're not fleeing to Europe, are they? Last I saw, Ceuta is not in mainland Spain. It's an enclave in North Africa.

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

TheBlueKoala · 31/07/2026 18:42

BIWI · 31/07/2026 18:33

But they're not fleeing to Europe, are they? Last I saw, Ceuta is not in mainland Spain. It's an enclave in North Africa.

You're being disingenious.

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TheBlueKoala · 31/07/2026 18:43

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

Morocco is a rich country. Can not be compared to other African countries where people are literally starving.

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likelysuspect · 31/07/2026 18:43

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

Oh the white saviour complex

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:52

Not really - there’s a lot of disparity in the world and it’s more about being ‘fair’. It’s not about aid or telling other countries what to do with money it’s about ensuring countries don’t have one hand tied behind their back due to constraints.

a lot of migrants go through Morocco so they won’t all be from Morocco

will be interesting to see what Spain will do though as they’ve made themselves very attractive with the recent amnesty

greencatwitch · 31/07/2026 18:57

Could you be any more patronising?

Is the UK embarrassed about colonising other countries throughout history and treating the local population like shit while stealing these countries' resources?

Not to mention that for a wealthy western nation we have our own shocking levels of deprivation, poverty, homelessness and people using food banks so I don't think we should be giving lessons to anyone else until we sort our own inequalities out.

I am sure there are issues with life in Morocco but we should not look down on other countries without taking a good look in the mirror first.

parallhel · 31/07/2026 19:02

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

Literally billions and billions is given by richer countries to poorer under the International Foreign Aid fund. I've often wondered if it achieves much really given most of the recipients want to leave their countries for other lands anyway.

Foreign Aid is huge, it is based on a donor country's GDP so the richer the country the bigger the contribution. Somehow I think a portion of that should be channelled towards helping those countries most affected by mass migration from aid funded countries at this stage.

LuckyHazelFox · 31/07/2026 19:04

greencatwitch · 31/07/2026 18:57

Could you be any more patronising?

Is the UK embarrassed about colonising other countries throughout history and treating the local population like shit while stealing these countries' resources?

Not to mention that for a wealthy western nation we have our own shocking levels of deprivation, poverty, homelessness and people using food banks so I don't think we should be giving lessons to anyone else until we sort our own inequalities out.

I am sure there are issues with life in Morocco but we should not look down on other countries without taking a good look in the mirror first.

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Told you. Didn't take long.

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 19:06

parallhel · 31/07/2026 19:02

Literally billions and billions is given by richer countries to poorer under the International Foreign Aid fund. I've often wondered if it achieves much really given most of the recipients want to leave their countries for other lands anyway.

Foreign Aid is huge, it is based on a donor country's GDP so the richer the country the bigger the contribution. Somehow I think a portion of that should be channelled towards helping those countries most affected by mass migration from aid funded countries at this stage.

Teach a man to fish and all that. Or is dependency part of the goal?

Weeellokthen · 31/07/2026 19:09

LuckyHazelFox · 31/07/2026 19:04

Told you. Didn't take long.

Didn't you know, us Brits should be self flagellating for evermore for the crimes of our ancestors 100's of years ago 😂

Violetdeparma · 31/07/2026 19:10

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

Omg how do we help them ! Morroco can sort it themsleves surely !

parallhel · 31/07/2026 19:10

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 19:06

Teach a man to fish and all that. Or is dependency part of the goal?

I'm sorry to say it, but I'd imagine there is a lot of wastage and corruption going on with foreign aid funds in certain countries. As for teaching a man to fish, well yes that would be a goal, together with building infrastructure, wells, improving health and education etc. I'm sure there are programmes dealing with that, but no matter how much money is contributed, it is never enough and I am not sure it is being spent as wisely as we would expect.

Hence the constant migration to the First World. Grass is greener.

LuckyHazelFox · 31/07/2026 19:10

Weeellokthen · 31/07/2026 19:09

Didn't you know, us Brits should be self flagellating for evermore for the crimes of our ancestors 100's of years ago 😂

😆 🤣

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 19:16

parallhel · 31/07/2026 19:10

I'm sorry to say it, but I'd imagine there is a lot of wastage and corruption going on with foreign aid funds in certain countries. As for teaching a man to fish, well yes that would be a goal, together with building infrastructure, wells, improving health and education etc. I'm sure there are programmes dealing with that, but no matter how much money is contributed, it is never enough and I am not sure it is being spent as wisely as we would expect.

Hence the constant migration to the First World. Grass is greener.

A lot of aid money is wasted by the donor countries themselves - often they spend vast amounts on consultants coming up with projects that aren’t really relevant or they put conditions in place that mean the goals will never be achieved

When you spend time in some countries that should be benefiting from aid projects and you see how the money is wasted throughout the chain it’s very depressing!

smallglassbottle · 31/07/2026 19:45

Weeellokthen · 31/07/2026 19:09

Didn't you know, us Brits should be self flagellating for evermore for the crimes of our ancestors 100's of years ago 😂

Lots of countries have colonised others over the centuries, killed people and exploited populations. I don't know why we're singled out for special criticism. How many normal citizens benefited anyway? Most of our ancestors were scratching a living from the land, getting killed down the mines or working for slave wages in factories.

Feel guilty? Aye, shite on that.

RodneyKitten · 31/07/2026 19:48

BIWI · 31/07/2026 18:33

But they're not fleeing to Europe, are they? Last I saw, Ceuta is not in mainland Spain. It's an enclave in North Africa.

Do you really think they want to stay in Ceuta?

SeriouslyAreYouSure · 31/07/2026 19:50

You think a country should be embarrassed?

If you think a country can have any kind of feeling or emotion, would you like to explain how that works???

RodneyKitten · 31/07/2026 19:50

BeardySchnauzer · 31/07/2026 18:36

Tbf the migrants they interviewed were talking about a better life in Europe with better healthcare etc so they definitely see it as a way into mainland Europe

ultimately if you want to stop economic migration you need to help improve where people are coming from

Why can’t they improve their own lives?

ForRedPoet · 31/07/2026 19:52

Get a grip.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Moroccan Government helped organise this invasion.

parallhel · 31/07/2026 19:55

I'd imagine the King of Morocco is living in luxury somewhere far away from his poorer subjects. An authoritarian ruler, reminds me of Ben Ali in Tunisia. I wonder if for any reason he encouraged the breaching of Ceuta. It's hard to tell with these guys. Run with the hares and hunt with the hounds maybe, just to keep all their money or something. Sound familiar?

The King of Morocco holds ultimate and far-reaching authority, serving as the country's supreme head of state, commander of the military, and chief religious leader, despite operating under a constitution with an elected parliament. Wikipedia +4

emuloc · 31/07/2026 20:04

greencatwitch · 31/07/2026 18:57

Could you be any more patronising?

Is the UK embarrassed about colonising other countries throughout history and treating the local population like shit while stealing these countries' resources?

Not to mention that for a wealthy western nation we have our own shocking levels of deprivation, poverty, homelessness and people using food banks so I don't think we should be giving lessons to anyone else until we sort our own inequalities out.

I am sure there are issues with life in Morocco but we should not look down on other countries without taking a good look in the mirror first.

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Well said!

SadiraOfTyr · 31/07/2026 20:10

It seems this mass incursion was orchestrated by the Moroccan authorities in their ongoing dispute with Spain over both Western Sahara and Ceuta and Melilla. It seems that the vast majority had no intention to stay and have voluntarily returned.

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