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AIBU to wonder why a pensioner struggling financially would not use housing equity?

559 replies

Powerbungalow · 22/07/2026 10:29

I'm not being unsympathetic

Theres a lady on the news at the moment, saying how times are tough and shes only cooking one meal a week - imagine she's eating cold food.

One thing that stood out though "I own my own house and it costs in maintenance" Depending on where she is, would you not get a life time mortgage or sell and rent? She has a big asset, why not use it to have a better life? I know I would.

She may be holding on to it for inheritance, but she didn't say - if so, then can her family help. It just seems totally crazy

OP posts:
Katypp · 23/07/2026 19:32

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:04

So you wouldn’t count a parent who has a Saturday job as proper work? How many hours does a person need to work in a week for it to count as proper work in your view?

Don't be silly. No one would consider a few hours delivering papers as a teenager comparable with an adult working to put food on the table. You're just labouring your point.

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:32

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 19:24

You said that you think homes should be classed as an asset for the purposes of means tested benefits... so it would not matter if someone on UC owns their grotty studio flat... if it is worth more than £16k, then they wont be able to claim a penny and therefore not be able to afford to live... so they would have to sell up and then claim UC in the form of rent.

DM lives alone in a 3 bed council house. She pays what a 3 bed costs... she is not paying extra on account of living there alone.

Edited

Does your mum receive pension credit? Because if yes then she is exempt from the bedroom tax anyway.

Pepperlee · 23/07/2026 19:33

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:25

Oh look, the personal insults begin. I can almost set my watch by them. Nothing useful to say? Nothing constructive to add to the discussion to move it along?

The irony.

TheyGrewUp · 23/07/2026 19:34

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 19:26

I’m not a liar, I know what life has been like for us, and many other older people. I’ve lived it. I’m only slightly younger than your grandparents. There was no child benefit/family allowance for first children when DH and I had our first child. It was phased in after 1975. I’m an only, born just after WWII, my parents didn’t get any for me either. We get no means tested benefits in retirement, and jointly we manage fine on what could be considered a low income. I even meet friends for coffee!

Not every baby boomer had the job for life, bought their council house through Right to Buy, or had a final salary gold plated pension. We both worked, bought a house, and moved a bit up the housing ladder. I worked full time for many years, but DHs ill health meant we had to sell up and move back down, but that’s life! We also both worked, part time, after retirement, DH finally stopping at 67. Glad to say our 50something DCs are way better off than we ever were. The DGC (who are all teens) are growing up in much more affluent circumstances and will get help to get on the property ladder. The older ones (at uni) already work part time, not because they need to, but because they have been taught that a work ethic is important.

One thing that seems to be forgotten, as our generation, a big cohort of home owners, dies off, there will be inheritances coming down the line to so many families.

100%

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 19:34

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:32

Does your mum receive pension credit? Because if yes then she is exempt from the bedroom tax anyway.

No she does not claim PC.
The bedroom "tax" is not a tax anyway... it is just a reduction in HB, and she does not get HB anyway.

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:37

Katypp · 23/07/2026 19:32

Don't be silly. No one would consider a few hours delivering papers as a teenager comparable with an adult working to put food on the table. You're just labouring your point.

I’m labouring the point because nobody seems to be prepared to answer the question: what is the difference?

Because I know plenty of current pensioners who were economically inactive for many years of their “working” lives but I’m expected to feel sorry for them, so what is the threshold above which you consider a job to be “proper”?

Stats I have provided earlier on in this thread from the DWP shows that of the 1937-1946 cohort of people in the UK, only 36% of them were in FT work for more than 75% of the time. So who are all these people working from dusk til dawn from the age of 15-65?

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:39

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 19:31

So what would be the cut off in terms of the value of someone's house before they could claim benefits?

That would be for the government to decide.

Pepperlee · 23/07/2026 19:40

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 19:26

I’m not a liar, I know what life has been like for us, and many other older people. I’ve lived it. I’m only slightly younger than your grandparents. There was no child benefit/family allowance for first children when DH and I had our first child. It was phased in after 1975. I’m an only, born just after WWII, my parents didn’t get any for me either. We get no means tested benefits in retirement, and jointly we manage fine on what could be considered a low income. I even meet friends for coffee!

Not every baby boomer had the job for life, bought their council house through Right to Buy, or had a final salary gold plated pension. We both worked, bought a house, and moved a bit up the housing ladder. I worked full time for many years, but DHs ill health meant we had to sell up and move back down, but that’s life! We also both worked, part time, after retirement, DH finally stopping at 67. Glad to say our 50something DCs are way better off than we ever were. The DGC (who are all teens) are growing up in much more affluent circumstances and will get help to get on the property ladder. The older ones (at uni) already work part time, not because they need to, but because they have been taught that a work ethic is important.

One thing that seems to be forgotten, as our generation, a big cohort of home owners, dies off, there will be inheritances coming down the line to so many families.

Don't confuse them with facts and the truth. Google trumps lived experience.

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:42

Pepperlee · 23/07/2026 19:40

Don't confuse them with facts and the truth. Google trumps lived experience.

Longitudinal research and statistics do trump anecdotes, yes.

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 19:56

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:42

Longitudinal research and statistics do trump anecdotes, yes.

Calling older people who have lived through very different times, liars, isn’t a good way to get a point across. Lived experience, whether you like it or not, is important when looking at history.

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 19:58

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:39

That would be for the government to decide.

But it is not happening anyway, so....

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:58

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 19:56

Calling older people who have lived through very different times, liars, isn’t a good way to get a point across. Lived experience, whether you like it or not, is important when looking at history.

Did I call anyone a liar?

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:59

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 19:58

But it is not happening anyway, so....

Not yet, but never say never.

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 20:00

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:58

Did I call anyone a liar?

You didn’t but the poster I initially replied to did.

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:02

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:59

Not yet, but never say never.

I can not imagine a government that would consider the home someone lives in as an asset. Yes, it happens now with people going into care homes, because they are leaving those homes and not going back.
It is nonsense to say to someone that the home they live in is worth too much (which is often through no action of the person living there... mine has gone up in value because of the market, and nothing I have done) and they have to downsize or move somewhere cheaper or not be able to claim any UC, so therefore not able to eat or pay bills.

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 20:03

Seymour5 · 23/07/2026 20:00

You didn’t but the poster I initially replied to did.

Edited

Oh I see, thank you for the context.

Pepperlee · 23/07/2026 20:17

StealMySunshining · 23/07/2026 19:42

Longitudinal research and statistics do trump anecdotes, yes.

They're times some of us lived through and experienced Calling them anecdotal doesn't make them less true.

Owninterpreter · 23/07/2026 20:26

Statistics and longitudinal studies are very good at telling us about trends at a population level, but less good at telling us about outcomes for individuals. So we dont need fight - theres space for both.

KatiePricesKnickers · 23/07/2026 20:46

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:02

I can not imagine a government that would consider the home someone lives in as an asset. Yes, it happens now with people going into care homes, because they are leaving those homes and not going back.
It is nonsense to say to someone that the home they live in is worth too much (which is often through no action of the person living there... mine has gone up in value because of the market, and nothing I have done) and they have to downsize or move somewhere cheaper or not be able to claim any UC, so therefore not able to eat or pay bills.

A house is an asset.
No one is saying they must sell, they can use equity release.

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:49

KatiePricesKnickers · 23/07/2026 20:46

A house is an asset.
No one is saying they must sell, they can use equity release.

So someone on UC on their 30s must use equity release on the home they own... until what point? They run out of equity and then have to claim more UC to rent? It makes no sense.

People who own their home cost less in UC because they are not claiming the housing element.

Crikeyalmighty · 23/07/2026 20:52

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:49

So someone on UC on their 30s must use equity release on the home they own... until what point? They run out of equity and then have to claim more UC to rent? It makes no sense.

People who own their home cost less in UC because they are not claiming the housing element.

You cannot do equity release below a certain age and the % you can go up to is very age dependent too .

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:53

Crikeyalmighty · 23/07/2026 20:52

You cannot do equity release below a certain age and the % you can go up to is very age dependent too .

I don't know much about. But a PP says that the home you live in should be counted for means-tested benefits, and you can do equity release for the funds. It seems not.

KatiePricesKnickers · 23/07/2026 21:15

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 20:53

I don't know much about. But a PP says that the home you live in should be counted for means-tested benefits, and you can do equity release for the funds. It seems not.

The thread is about pensioners.

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 21:16

KatiePricesKnickers · 23/07/2026 21:15

The thread is about pensioners.

Yes, and PP said that any means tested benefit should take your house into account.
Pensions are not means tested.

Timeforachange26 · 23/07/2026 21:17

XenoBitch · 23/07/2026 21:16

Yes, and PP said that any means tested benefit should take your house into account.
Pensions are not means tested.

Pension credit however is