To ask why there are no riots?

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Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

In general I would say that people tend to riot where they don't think their concerns are being heard.

If they think violent racist nutbars are being treated appropriately they won't riot.

If they think police or political figures are not listening to the problems with those people, or climate change, or whatever, they might do something more extreme.

Yep. Why would anyone describe it as such

I thought you wanted unity? Better to work and fight together isn't it?

Yes let's go damage mosques and throw wheelie bins together.

The anti racism protest offer unity, those riots don't.

Yeah like the disinformation/goading ftom Hope not Hate, Antifa and Palestine Action Group. The Fascists dictating who can speak at the Oxford Union. I can't take this defensive shit seriously.

Tommy Robinson was speaking, is that what you are hinting at?

He was in Russia only a few days earlier.

Football, heat, alcohol and testosterone, never a good mix .

We aren't locking all little girls in their dance classes because of white men. We haven't had to put our neonatal units or women's hospitals on alert because of white men. There hasn't been a increase in acid attacks on children because of white men. There are particular issues towards women and children when things don't go right, with a certain demographic. We can go after the manosphere, general misogyny etc, but we can't openly talk about a issue with some demographics. Now when you are then importing that demographic, there's going to be a reaction, especially during a lack of housing/austerity etc. This board is very anti trump (so am I in parts), but cheers on societies that are fighting to keep child marriage, rape, forced birth and honour etc killings, I can't make it make sense.

Going on the other thread, they don't reach the depths of the rugby crowd, which is all good because they aren't WC.

@Stressmummy12

then we’ve got these people that shouldn’t be here soaking all the welfare benefits up

It might be helpful for you to go and read a little on how the UK's Welfare budget is actually spent, and stop just taking on face value the drivel spouted by right-leaning media outlets and agitators like Farage and Yaxley-Lennon.

I feel I should also point out that no matter what an asylum seeker receives (it's practically nil), it has no bearing whatsoever on any exiting UK citizens' eligibility, or indeed, they payments they receive.

The only people who "shouldn't be here" are the people who arrive and do not declare themselves, then immediately disappear into the black economy. They are inarguably "illegal immigrants", but as such they are not claiming benefits and have no relevance to the narrative regarding the UK's Welfare spend and how that might or might not affect Brits.

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"The people who find this as repulsive as any other racist incident - and worse, as it’s against a minority aren’t the people who get their shirts off and get out in the street to kick off".

Yes the parents of the little girls killed in the Southport stabbings, the parents of the student killed in Southampton and the parents of the man killed in Belfast will be so grateful that their children weren't in a minority when it would have been so much worse.

SARCASM OBVIOUSLY.

If your child is brutally murdered or attacked it is not worse if they are in a minority. It could not be any worse

You are part of the problem. Declaring quite openly it is worse for a Muslim to be stabbed than for other people.

The person that is stabbed or their parents experience just the same pain. I'm also sick of when a young person is stabbed hearing "isolated incident" I.e. it was a young person stabbing a young person so no-one gives a shit.

I'd like to see loads of stop and search and people carrying a knife banged up for 5 years + no excuses no early release. If they draw it /use it many more years. We have to stop knife crime being a daily occurrence.

I would like the race/religion/ asylum status and time in the country of perpetrators to be recorded. This is information we should have. Nothing wrong in focusing stop and search on certain groups if they are over represented in knife crime whether that's age/gender/post code/race or religion. They are often stabbing kids in their own area/of diverce races so by targeting some people you are protecting others.

I agree. The riots that are breaking out sporadically are race riots.

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The protesting types are probably busy starting goady threads and rioting in countries where they make up more than about 6% of the population. Angry men are pretty universal.

Brown and black/Eastern Europeans people do riot. And loot. Many incidences, particularly in America, where this happens. We had an incident in Leeds only last year where there were riots and vehicles set on fire. You dont have to do much research to know this.

Farage has got blood on his hands.

he called for 'pure, cold rage' and he got it.

Every day he copies another Trump tactic and now here, as there, it has resulted in the death of innocents.

This country is becoming an absolute embarrassment.

Yes, I'm sure if Edinburgh's Muslim community decided to do something like, for argument's sake, form up and march across the city in protest, the right-wing agitators would just acknowledge that this is ordinary peaceable people exercising their democratic right to express their disgust and show solidarity each with each other.

Shite.

It would be immediately decried as another example of "them" displaying the fact they are an insular, closed community who care only for themselves, who only ever act when it's an issue that impacts Muslims directly, and no doubt, in more febrile places than Edinburgh it would undoubtedly attract the attention of the brick-hurling, flag-waving troglodytes who think setting fire to shit and assaulting people is a perfectly justifiable reaction to something they take offence to.

The reason Muslims don't visibly protest incidents like this is because when they do it invariably attracts yet more hate and derision.

Can I still point out they are still taking from
the system

someone arrives in the UK and claims asylum, what they receive depends on their circumstances and where they are in the asylum process. In general, they may receive:

• Accommodation if they have nowhere to live. This could be a hotel (temporarily), a shared house, a hostel, or other accommodation provided while their claim is being processed.
• Financial support if they cannot support themselves. This is a modest weekly allowance intended to cover essentials like food, toiletries, clothing, and travel where applicable.
• Healthcare through the UK’s healthcare system, including access to a GP and emergency treatment.
• Education for children of school age.
• Legal aid may be available for some aspects of their asylum claim if they qualify.

There are also restrictions:

• Most asylum seekers cannot work while waiting for a decision, although there are limited exceptions if they’ve been waiting a long time and meet specific criteria.
• They are generally expected to live in the accommodation allocated to them if they receive government support.

hood old chat gpt however my point remains the same there are thousands of them thousands and you think it’s a small drop in the ocean. We as brits should be entitled to all
thise with no hassle except these morons make wait lists longer, housing lists and suitable housing harder to find… the list is endless the harm they cause in this country not to mention the abuse and rape of women.

I wish they’d not be allowed to enter the country at all and made to go back to where they called home because we need our country to be benefiting and doing right by the Brit’s that live here not those who come illegally.

This wasn’t a minor non story, it’s been the main headline on BBC Scotland for 2 days

Has good old chat gpt told you what percentage of the budget is spend on asylum seekers?

@Stressmummy12

Can I still point out they are still taking from
the system

Of course you can, this is not in dispute. I don't understand the boiling rage directed at asylum seekers though because I think it's perfectly reasonable and normal for rich countries to have enough compassion to aid people with nothing. We certainly have the resources to do it, so unless you are some sort of psychopath who revels in human suffering, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with it.

however my point remains the same there are thousands of them thousands and you think it’s a small drop in the ocean

Roughly 40,000-50,000pa, which is a pitiful number considering they are arriving in a State with a population not far off 70,000,000. And again, some of these people do not declare themselves, and therefore will be entitled to and claiming absolutely nothing.

We as brits should be entitled to all
thise with no hassle except these morons make wait lists longer, housing lists and suitable housing harder to find… the list is endless the harm they cause in this country not to mention the abuse and rape of women

So they are "morons" now? Does that include the people fleeing conflicts which have seen their families blown to smithereens by bombs that we manufacture and sell, and often in conflicts precipitated by our own meddling and interference in countries we have no business being in to begin with?

A shortage of decent social housing has been a decades-long issue in the UK, way before anyone was on their high-horse pontificating about Asylum Seekers and Illegal Immigrants. You have Margaret Thatcher to thank for that, whose policies effectively legalised the looting of public housing stock by private entities. Then there is the fact that in the intervening 40-45 years every government since has done nothing to put this right. It's not the fault of folk arriving from foreign countries, because the issue was every bit as pressing decades back.

I wish they’d not be allowed to enter the country at all and made to go back to where they called home because we need our country to be benefiting and doing right by the Brit’s that live here not those who come illegally

For the umpteenth time, there is nothing "illegal" about coming to the UK and claiming Asylum no matter how you happen to arrive here. The only people who are "illegal" are the ones who do not declare themselves, and again, the fact they are here subversively means that they can not claim benefits and can not occupy Social Housing, so this has no impact whatsoever on the needy Brits you claim to be concerned about.

my point is

we need to look after our own completely first before anyone. We don’t flee to other countries we do it the right way and work and find work before we intend on living there etc.

secondly I stand by what I said I don’t wish for anyone of them to enter our country and if the shoe was on the other foot and we were the ones suffering in those situations would they offer their country to us on a plate and give us what they’ve got? Absolutely not. They’d be as rude, entitled and as ignorant to us as they are now.

our country will continue to become a sorry state of affairs because of them and our government and I wouldn’t say we we’re particularly rich.

@Stressmummy12

we need to look after our own completely first before anyone. We don’t flee to other countries we do it the right way and work and find work before we intend on living there etc

There is currently no reason whatsoever for anyone to be fleeing the UK to begin with. The UK is not an active warzone, it's not in the grip of a natural disaster, there is no widespread famine, no major disease outbreaks, no sectarian or ethnic gangs roaming the place looking to murder their rivals out of hand (yet). So comparisons between the UK and the countries people are actually fleeing from are rather moot.

If you somehow think Brits are different, you could go back and look at what happened the last time the UK was an active warzone, or as close to it as it has ever been in modern history. There was no actual fighting on UK soil, but despite that, we still sent children out of the cities to the countryside where it was deemed safer, the Government wanted to evacuate the Royal Family to Canada and had to be talked out of it by the Family themselves, and had we not been an island, we absolutely would have been evacuating non-essential people to non-combatant nations, in fact, plenty of people did actually bolt to Ireland.

If you think Brits are somehow superior and above all that, you are entirely mistaken. You just need to go look at any of the hysterical "war with Russia" threads on here to see just how many MN'ers would up-sticks and run for the hills at the first hint of anyone threatening the UK.

if the shoe was on the other foot and we were the ones suffering in those situations would they offer their country to us on a plate and give us what they’ve got? Absolutely not

Well considering all of our near-neighbours also have asylum policy roughly aligned with our own, or in many cases, more generous and accommodating, and this is a matter governed by International Law, this is not in question. For a start, they already are taking in refugees and asylum seekers, and in the event people started fleeing the UK we'd just be joining them.

our country will continue to become a sorry state of affairs because of them and our government and I wouldn’t say we we’re particularly rich

Depending on how you calculate it, by total GDP the UK is the 5th largest economy on the planet. Considering there are roughly 250 recognised countries on the planet, and a whole host of non-independent territories, microstates, uninhabited islands etc etc, it begs the question, if you do not consider the UK "rich", what on earth do you actually consider "rich"?

And no, I don't for a moment accept that the UK, a State of 70million people, is being run into the ground and reduced to a "sorry state" by the arrival of 40,000 people each year.

Thank you. I was going to say similar. White British girls being raped and abused and told outright they deserved it because they were white.

And because nobody is bothering to acknowledge what several of us have said about the grooming gangs, you way want to check out this thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5543280-5543280-aibu-to-ask-about-the-rape-gang-inquiry-report?page=1