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To ask why there are no riots?

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Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:29

Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

Topless man with knife with face blurred

Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh

Two people were injured close to a mosque and a man was later seen battering the door of a pizzeria as members of the public run away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

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TheGreatDownandOut · 21/06/2026 19:57

And a summary/excerpt that a poster kindly posted on that thread is below. Trigger warning….

What's included in this report is fucking harrowing:

  • A baby was abused and had cigarettes stubbed out on it while the mother was forced to watch; the baby was then killed.
  • Girls were set on fire.
  • Girls were sent to “red rooms” to be tortured, some of them killed, some of it livestreamed.
  • One girl was raped by a dog while men bet on whether it would vaginally or anally rape her.
Girls were forced to have abortions with knitting needles.
  • Glass bottles, keys, baseball bats, and other objects were forced inside them, some shattering.
  • Girls were gang-raped by dozens of men at a time in “party houses.”
  • Girls were whipped, hung upside down, suffocated, and urinated on.
  • Girls as young as 5 or 6 were tied up and abused.
  • Girls were locked in dog cages.
  • Girls were branded with an “M” for Muhammad.Girls were threatened with being killed and fed to pigs.
  • Girls were mocked for wearing a crucifix during the rapes.
All of this was carried out by predominantly South Asian, Pakistani men, with smaller numbers from Somali, Iranian, Syrian, Turkish, Bangladeshi, and Iraqi men. And yet perpetrators were let off, authorities turned a blind eye, and it continues to this day because people are scared of being called racist.
TheGreatDownandOut · 21/06/2026 19:57

But I guess the victim was the wrong type of victim. White working class girls.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 21/06/2026 20:07

He probably had mental health problems.

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 20:52

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/06/2026 10:38

You do realise that "Herr" means "Mr", right? It's something all German men are called. So given that you're using it as an insult, to mean that Farage is a Nazi, you're basically accusing all German men of being Nazis.

Which is quite the irony on a thread where you're supposedly decrying racism!

Oh wow! If course I know Herr means Mr. Ffs.

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Firetreev · 21/06/2026 21:02

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/06/2026 12:26

I'm dim?

If she said "Mr Farage is a nazi" then the bit of the sentence that suggests he's a nazi is "is a nazi".

But she didn't say that, she used "Herr Farage" as a shorthand for "Mr Farage is a nazi" which suggests she believes that anyone with the honorific "Herr" is a Nazi.

You need to get a grip. In no way do I think everyone with the title Herr is a Nazi. I think that everyone who sings Nazi songs in their youth and goes around saying things to like 'gas the Jews' to Jews, and can't apologise for doing so in adulthood is probably a Nazi or Nazi sympathiser.

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VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/06/2026 21:19

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 21:02

You need to get a grip. In no way do I think everyone with the title Herr is a Nazi. I think that everyone who sings Nazi songs in their youth and goes around saying things to like 'gas the Jews' to Jews, and can't apologise for doing so in adulthood is probably a Nazi or Nazi sympathiser.

And I agree with you that Farage is a despicable human being.

I just don't think that a pathetic nickname that equating all German men withNazis is the best way to get that across.

Its racist, and given that your thread is meant to be decrying racism, it rather undermines your point.

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 21:24

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/06/2026 21:19

And I agree with you that Farage is a despicable human being.

I just don't think that a pathetic nickname that equating all German men withNazis is the best way to get that across.

Its racist, and given that your thread is meant to be decrying racism, it rather undermines your point.

It really doesn't say that I'm conflating all Germans with Nazis. But we're not going to agree on that. I'm highlighting his admiration for the Third Reich. If you don't get that, then I can't help you. It may have been silly and crass, but you're blowing it out of proportion.

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VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/06/2026 21:28

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 21:24

It really doesn't say that I'm conflating all Germans with Nazis. But we're not going to agree on that. I'm highlighting his admiration for the Third Reich. If you don't get that, then I can't help you. It may have been silly and crass, but you're blowing it out of proportion.

How does it do that?

What is it about the German form of "Mr" that equates him with the 3rd Reich?

If you went with Fuhrage, I'd still think it was a bit crap, but it'd least get the intended point across.

ValueofNothing · 21/06/2026 21:36

@Firetreev they're just trying to distract you from the actual point of your thread by faking outrage about one minor slip. I'd ignore, tbh, they don't want anyone talking about the real issues at hand.

5MinuteArgument · 21/06/2026 21:47

Stressmummy12 · 21/06/2026 17:10

Can I still point out they are still taking from
the system

someone arrives in the UK and claims asylum, what they receive depends on their circumstances and where they are in the asylum process. In general, they may receive:

  • Accommodation if they have nowhere to live. This could be a hotel (temporarily), a shared house, a hostel, or other accommodation provided while their claim is being processed.
  • Financial support if they cannot support themselves. This is a modest weekly allowance intended to cover essentials like food, toiletries, clothing, and travel where applicable.
  • Healthcare through the UK’s healthcare system, including access to a GP and emergency treatment.
  • Education for children of school age.
  • Legal aid may be available for some aspects of their asylum claim if they qualify.
There are also restrictions:
  • Most asylum seekers cannot work while waiting for a decision, although there are limited exceptions if they’ve been waiting a long time and meet specific criteria.
  • They are generally expected to live in the accommodation allocated to them if they receive government support.

hood old chat gpt however my point remains the same there are thousands of them thousands and you think it’s a small drop in the ocean. We as brits should be entitled to all
thise with no hassle except these morons make wait lists longer, housing lists and suitable housing harder to find… the list is endless the harm they cause in this country not to mention the abuse and rape of women.

I wish they’d not be allowed to enter the country at all and made to go back to where they called home because we need our country to be benefiting and doing right by the Brit’s that live here not those who come illegally.

Agree, the asylum system is costing us, and the appeal system means that we are funding these people for years, even if their claims are rejected.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 21/06/2026 21:53

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:43

No I'm very grateful. My point is the hypocrisy of those who riot and those who stir them up. It's racism pure and simple.

Why is it breaking headline news when a person of colour person does it, but a minor non story when it's a white person? People talk about two tier policing, what we have is two tier reporting! We heard all about Henry Novak, but close to zero about the Saudi student in Cambridge murdered by a coked up white man.

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Do you genuinely not understand the differences?

The relevant facts here are that as well as being arrested immediately, he was handcuffed, his photo clearly publicised, his ethnicity advertised in the BBC headline and has already been charged.

The Prime Minister has already attempted to prejudice a fair trial tweeted his horror and given us his judgement on the motivation of the man, even before the police investigation, a medical assessment and ignoring the fact that thankfully the injuries were not serious and the victims were but all Muslim.

So what is there for anyone to riot about? The Muslim Council of Britain is already on the case and has secured a personal assurance from the PM that he will not tolerate this and the man will ‘face the full force of the law’.

I’d say that’s a pretty comprehensive and powerful response, notably missing from recent cases where people of British origin are the victims and the perpetrators are not.

But why let the facts get in the way of your Brit bashing thread?

MerryUmberHedgehog · 22/06/2026 05:58

Of course its racism thats why there are no riots.

alwaysdream · 22/06/2026 07:09

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Exhibit A - the mental functioning of a Reform voter.

Meadowfinch · 22/06/2026 07:13

PollyBell · 21/06/2026 05:37

So we are to be disappointed when epople are not rioting? Really?

This.

What would rioting achieve? One man assaulted some people and was arrested. He's been charged and will presumably be jailed. It sounds like the police did their job.

In my experience, riots happen when justice is seen not to be done.

alwaysdream · 22/06/2026 07:16

"I had a week off work.. they were everywhere 8 of them getting out of a 5 seat car...."

Are you actually a real person @Stressmummy12 ?

alwaysdream · 22/06/2026 07:21

"I was out in a beautiful park the other day.. my daughter was looking at swans on a piece of grass. Muslims came along stood right in front of my child and didn’t take note of her and began taking photos so 3/4 big tall women and men so I went and stood right infront of them and said absolutely not. So some are giving themselves a bad name...."

I don't even know where to begin with this.

Tryingtobenormal124 · 22/06/2026 07:21

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:29

Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

This was in Leith Edinburgh and did not even make headlines on Friday night. Scotland is not prone to riots. Edinburgh air port was closed over night on Friday due to 2 suspect packages. Bomb squad etc. Not aware of that being reported either

ERthree · 22/06/2026 07:42

"Where are the rioters" Well Fevertreev maybe they give as many fucks as you do about the Muslim rape gang report. You haven't got much to say on that do you. More 250,000 children raped, tortured and murdered by muslim men and you are silent. Your silence on the horror and you starting this thread say everything. YDGAF about those children.

EverythingGolden · 22/06/2026 07:49

This guy may well have had mental health issues, he certainly looked as if he was likely off his face on something.

There are a lot of comments on social media articles about this incident with laughing emojis saying it was justified, he’s a hero etc. I get that people have differing views about immigration but this is disgusting. Who the fuck thinks people getting stabbed is funny? I’ve never seen this level of open and outright facism in my lifetime. I live very local to this incident and my blood runs cold thinking of friends or their families walking up that road and potentially getting in the way of this. I’d like to think it was a one off lone nutter, which they usually are, but it’s the wider response which is worrying.

IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 07:53

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:43

No I'm very grateful. My point is the hypocrisy of those who riot and those who stir them up. It's racism pure and simple.

Why is it breaking headline news when a person of colour person does it, but a minor non story when it's a white person? People talk about two tier policing, what we have is two tier reporting! We heard all about Henry Novak, but close to zero about the Saudi student in Cambridge murdered by a coked up white man.

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I agree. It’s racism. Pure and simple.

IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 07:55

EverythingGolden · 22/06/2026 07:49

This guy may well have had mental health issues, he certainly looked as if he was likely off his face on something.

There are a lot of comments on social media articles about this incident with laughing emojis saying it was justified, he’s a hero etc. I get that people have differing views about immigration but this is disgusting. Who the fuck thinks people getting stabbed is funny? I’ve never seen this level of open and outright facism in my lifetime. I live very local to this incident and my blood runs cold thinking of friends or their families walking up that road and potentially getting in the way of this. I’d like to think it was a one off lone nutter, which they usually are, but it’s the wider response which is worrying.

It’s not about immigration. It never was. It’s about some rich and powerful people dog whistling the racism that lurks beneath the surface of more white people than I want to imagine, to make themselves more rich and powerful. Immigration concerns are just the foil.

Stressmummy12 · 22/06/2026 07:58

alwaysdream · 22/06/2026 07:09

Exhibit A - the mental functioning of a Reform voter.

I actually didn’t vote and won’t vote.

darksideofthetoon · 22/06/2026 08:00

This happened in Scotland, the stories here are often down the pecking order in a very London centric UK.

But you could also pick out a number of stories regarding all different ethnic backgrounds and question why there are no riots. Riots are often very random and don’t actually happen very often in the UK especially in a city like Edinburgh.

It sounds like you’re looking to spin this into more of a race thing and hence part of the problem. I just seen another nutcase causing carnage but we had a black guy do the same in Edinburgh not too long ago and guess what, no riots!

Stressmummy12 · 22/06/2026 08:02

alwaysdream · 22/06/2026 07:16

"I had a week off work.. they were everywhere 8 of them getting out of a 5 seat car...."

Are you actually a real person @Stressmummy12 ?

Yes I walked through Stratford upon Avon a couple of weekends ago and yes I seen a boot open with no real seats and several got out. Then you walked down a bit further and there was more. They are everywhere and they do not make days out enjoyable more uncomfortable.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 08:03

ERthree · 22/06/2026 07:42

"Where are the rioters" Well Fevertreev maybe they give as many fucks as you do about the Muslim rape gang report. You haven't got much to say on that do you. More 250,000 children raped, tortured and murdered by muslim men and you are silent. Your silence on the horror and you starting this thread say everything. YDGAF about those children.

Yes, she's totally ignored the report's findings presented here. Too uncomfortable to look at so let's ignore it and start a race baiting thread. Starmer and Mahmood tell people not to speculate when Muslims attack white people - mental illness. Other way round and it's a straight condemnation of islamophobia. Is it any wonder why people are rioting.