To ask why there are no riots?

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Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

Where were the riots over the grooming gangs? Or Kriss Donald? Or the 7/7 bombings? Or Rhiannon Whyte?

Riots are the result of a particular maelstrom of social circumstances.

It's a weak tactic that's losing power thankfully!

Yep the irony of people coming on starting threads complaining about all of these imaginary riots that happen all the time when an immigrant commits a crime because some people are apparently committed to stirring up division and hatred and society.

Yet here they are peddling an invented narrative to stir up hatred and divide themselves. 😅

It’s a good job that despite the OP’s questionable intentions and then ignoring many of the posts to the contrary that this thread ended up having some decent debate!

My intentions aren't questionable. My intention is to highlight the hypocrisy.

I haven't engaged with certain posters because as per usual they've descended into a debate about grooming gangs, as if all racism can be absolved because of grooming gangs. What has happened with grooming gangs in this country is despicable, and those who enabled the perpetrators should be prosecuted alongside the monsters. However, I abhor all rapists and paedophiles, not just brown ones. I'm as angry about Pakistani grooming gangs as I am about white British ones. If you're more angry about Pakistani grooming gangs than you are about Epstein, Trump and Prince Andrew then you're intentions are questionable.

I don't see the point of even engaging with posters like you. Nevertheless, my eyes didn't deceive me. You're lying to yourself.

Also do some bloody research - I thought people like you love to 'do your own research '. It is blatantly obvious that the algorithm has been tweaked since 2022 to push far right bile.

This is a good point. And less attention is also paid to violence between different ethnic minorities. This is obviously crime against ethnic minority by another ethnic minorities but afaik there is no way of differentiating the crimes stats so people will just see violence against an ethnic minority and assume the perpetrator is white.

As to PPs seek to diminish the racist nature of the attacks on white girls by the grooming gangs of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, maybe if PPs could read some of the quotes from trials where they say such unspeakable things about white girls that I suspect I would get deleted for even repeating on here they would see things more clearly.

Racism is an element that is often prosecuted as a hate crime. Its lack of use in these crimes is disappointing and demonstrates the asymmetry of application.

www.parallelparliament.co.uk/mp/katie-lam/debate/2025-04-08/commons/commons-chamber/tackling-child-sexual-abuse

Could I suggest that PPs doubting the specific circumstances around this very specific type of crime listen to a survivor like Samantha Townsend and see what she says.

You’re the only one making negative generalisations here. 👍

Trying to insult me just demonstrates your lack of a leg to stand on. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

No problem - it’s ok to just say you have no evidence to back your claims.

Your hostility to questions just demonstrates the weakness of your argument. Maybe you realise that?

I'm not hostile to questions asked in good faith. I don't believe that you ask questions in good faith.

Now who’s making assumptions?

You can see it as downplaying, I see it as having a different point of view.

I think you’re reading things that aren’t there, at no point have I said I think conversations about ‘uncontrolled immigration’ are racially motivated. In fact it’s not a phrase I’ve used at all.

If there is evidence that victims are targeted because they are white, then yes that should be considered. I’m not convinced that the majority of grooming victims were targeted because they are white because I haven’t seen evidence of that. There is some survivor testimony that includes evidence of racial abuse, but it’s not a feature of all cases. The grooming of victims of other ethnicities suggests that it wasn’t targeted in that way most of the time. Unlike your hypothetical example where an assailant selects only white victims from passers by.

I find it interesting that these cases have been being prosecuted for several years now (which is itself an indictment of the justice system) but only recently has it become about white girls being the target. Previously the fact that children were being groomed at scale was sufficiently horrifying, and there was recognition that it was widespread as well as having particular concentrations and characteristics in some areas. It’s hard not to see this as an angle that’s being exploited for particular reasons.

I hope one day the same people pushing this will care about the sexual exploitation in my small and mainly white town, where white girls were taken by white perpetrators to group sex ‘parties’, drugged and subjected to the same things you can read about in all these cases. Maybe that’s why I don’t buy that this is about racism or Islam, it’s about men exploiting girls and women and getting away with it. Until someone sees an opportunity to make a career or a buck.

@HowMuchMoreIsThere I think worth adding that, though you might see this as an issue of the left, it was a Conservative government that sat on the IICSA recommendations for two years. The current government have started to implement them, though there are different perspectives on how many are completed.

I think it’s a fair and correct assumption seeing as you’re trying to say you’ve never seen anyone being called racist when they were just expressing concerns about immigration. It happens all the time. I see this daily. It doesn’t matter how valid the concerns are or how unrelated they are to race, people just try to shut them up by saying this is just racism.

Nobody has said all racism can be absolved because of grooming gangs because nobody here believes that

Several of us have said we abhor all rapists and paedophiles (not just brown ones) and I’m fairly sure everyone who has posted here agrees with that too.

We all have more in common than you think we do. So why try and read things that aren’t there and become outraged by it?

So it’s not possible in your mind for us to have different experiences in life? Ok.👍

That’s not what I said.
We can of course have different experiences in life and I’m sure we have had many.

But I completely refuse to believe that you have never seen this at all because you have to have because it’s so prevalent, I’m sure you would find it equally dishonest if someone tried to say they’d never really seen or heard any racism ever.

But then if you are the type to call things racist when they are not then that would explain why you would say that you don’t see people doing this.

And revert to type…

I can know something exists and not experience it. You claim to see this every day, I (thank fuck) don’t have conversations about immigration every day. Maybe that’s the difference. If you regularly get into heated conversations on topics many are misinformed and entrenched on, tempers will flare. I don’t do that, because I find it draining to be around.

There’s been disagreement on this thread but not everyone is incapable of calmly disagreeing. You’ve accused me of making assumptions about you, of oversimplifying, downplaying and now you’re accusing me of calling things racist when they’re not. So I can see that maybe you do enjoy those kinds of conversations in real life. Each to their own.

No I rarely get involved in conversations about immigration either. Only occasionally. I have a dsyregulated nervous system due to stress and trauma so the last thing I need is to be getting involved in all those conversations and getting my adrenaline going every day. I still can’t avoid seeing or hearing them though.

So every day you see and hear - but are not involved in - conversations about immigration where someone calls someone else racist even though they didn’t say anything racist.

That sounds awful. Headphones?

😂 Don’t be so disingenuous. They happen everywhere, online etc

As I previously stated on every single news story regarding a rape or sexual assault or violent crime etc regarding a white person people say “where’s the riots, where’s the patriots now?” peddling this false narrative that people riot every time an immigrant commits a crime and showing no respect to the victims of the crime that has been reported by trying to use it for their agenda, which often ironically includes trying to tell other people how they’ve fallen for an agenda to stir up hate and division 😂

It’s because the riots are racist riots that take an attack by a non-white person on a white victim and use it as an excuse to terrorise innocent people of colour. The scum that take part in these riots will be pleased that a white man has attacked a Muslim group. If this had been an attack on a Jewish victim there would be wall to wall press coverage and an emergency COBRA meeting.

Why then, do we not see a lot more riots?

There are regularly news stories of non-white men attacking white women but 99%+ of them go by without any riot at all.