To ask why there are no riots?

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Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

Just as well it's not you deciding whether Reform officially fall under the umbrella of hate preachers. Isn't preaching subjective, where you can choose to take it or leave it? That's about the only resemblance I can see.

You'd think, but then you see what is laid at the door of the ovators.

No of course not, but it would have led to whole lot more media outrage!

I haven't mentioned anything to do with being British.

Your post is incoherent and disingenuous. You linked this behaviour to Britishness and then accused me of 'generalising Brits' despite never mentioning British people as I don't think rioting / support for rioting has anything to do with Britishness. It's not an attack on Britons. It's a comment / critique of rioters / riot supporters.

To accuse somebody of doing what you are actually doing in your post (generalising people based on nationality) is a really bad faith argument.

You might have missed the key part of that headline:

’Given life sentences’

Not ‘have still not been prosecuted after 20 years and their victims silenced at every opportunity’.

Did I post on this thread about literally last week, victim Samantha Townsend being told by a producer of Goid Morning Britain not to mention the ethnicity of the rapists even though ethnicity was an intrinsic part of the years of horrendous abuse.

White gangs get prosecuted, too many Pakistani Muslim gangs are being protected.

Also the man is a Nazi. He literally did a sieg heil salute at Trump's inauguration.

You are now libelling him. There are many photos of many people with their hand in the air. He did not do a ‘seig heil salute’. You are lying.

pump far right hateful and divisive content

Have you got any actual evidence that he uses the algorithm to do this? Who does he ‘pump it’ to?

What about out the many people with opinions you dislike that are not on X? How has he influenced them?

Exactly. I can’t understand why these crimes are not being prioritised as hate crimes based on race which would be the aggravating factor if the victims were any other colour than white.

I agree @CornishDaughteroftheDawn and it is unbelievable it’s not being covered on the news. It feels surreal how this is being avoided.

It’s the worst cover up ever on an industrial scale.

You said this:

I suspect because a lot of the rioters (and riot sympathisers) support what this man was doing.
That’s clear on all the news articles on this topic (and the riots in Belfast too.)
A lot of people are fine with ethno / racial / religion related attacks on innocent people depending on who the victims (and especially the perpetrators) are.

You referred to ‘the rioters’.
This thread is about riots in Britain.
Therefore they will be British rioters.

What other reasonable inference should I have made?

You’ve made some impressive bad faith ‘interpretations’ on this thread but I think that one wins.

It’s true that the available data shows predominantly white victims, but ‘predominantly’ means quite different things. For example a review of Manchester cases found 90% white victims, and 30% white/50% Asian perpetrators. In W Yorkshire 51% of recorded victims are white, but 40% of victims have no recorded ethnicity (that’s my memory of Casey Review data anyway).

So while there may be an element of racial targeting, I don’t think it’s clear enough to say it’s racially motivated. Do you think all inter racial crimes are motivated by racism? Or might it also be about opportunity.

For example, many cases of white or Turkish men grooming black boys for criminal exploitation in cities, London especially (also many black men grooming, don’t get me wrong). I don’t think that’s racially motivated, but it’s about opportunity. Larger proportions of black young people in the city, boys more likely to be outside on the street, and maybe responsive to the attention and prospect of money, kinship, opportunity for themselves.

Similarly in the places a lot of the biggest gangs operated, there was more opportunity to groom white girls than ethnic minority girls. White British parents are broadly more permissive with their children, many of these girls had no supervision or anyone looking out for them. They’re much easier to target not because they’re white because they are accessible. That doesn’t exclude the fact that there were elements of racial abuse towards white girls in some cases, but I’m wary of making that the whole focus, because the evidence doesn’t support it and it again shifts the focus from the systemic failures of the systems that should have meant these girls were not out unsupervised, late at night, no-one checking that they were safe, or noticing that they were drunk or drugged or injured or traumatised or pregnant. Yet again, this is children in the care system or with extensive service involvement being let down and thrown to the wolves. These are systems (and in many cases parents) that already taught these girls they were worthless, making them susceptible to grooming in the first place. But you can’t call that racist so you ignore it.

Yes, something has gone wrong that this can happen at all, but quite why you only want to focus on the white children who suffered, rather than the non-white children who suffered IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAYS is frankly beyond me.

Yes, 24/7 news has a lot to answer for - the constant need for stories!

I think it was just called Brexit. Here it is https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002xhvl Just two episodes by the looks of it.

So while there may be an element of racial targeting, I don’t think it’s clear enough to say it’s racially motivated. Do you think all inter racial crimes are motivated by racism? Or might it also be about opportunity.

I think one of the main issues here, and one of the main causes of many people’s anger is that in the UK at present, the default position by the media, institutions, politicians and, if I may say, many on the left, is that by default violent inter-racial crime by white people is assumed to be racist in nature, whilst violent inter-racial crime against white people is by default assumed to not be racist in nature.

Obv this is a huge oversimplification and I’m not talking about each and every violent crime. But it is the immediate reaction in many cases, that these conclusions are immediately drawn, promulgated by the media and accepted by many people.

This then develops a circular effect where there are high profile racist attacks on non-white people covered by the media etc but very little discussion of racist attacks against white people. Which is then used to promote the idea that attacks on white people are not fuelled by racism, and so it goes round and round.

If a black or brown person, for example, runs amock with a knife in an ethnically diverse area and stabs and kills three people who all look white, whilst not stabbing anyone who doesn’t look white, then yes, I think a racial motive is likely and should be carefully considered. We all know it would be if the races were reversed.

Similarly if Pakistani men are predominantly targeting white children then a racial motive should be carefully considered. If the men are verbally racially abusing the children then, it’s pretty clearly at least partially racially motivated. That doesn’t mean they are not doing the same (possibly including the racial verbal abuse, I don’t know) to children of other ethnicities. It is perfectly possible to be racist to more than one race/ethnicity.

The fact you think 40,000 people that arrive here if not more a year isn’t a problem I’m not carrying on this any further. They are still taking our homes, healthcare etc when we as Brits should have more right over them. That’s coming from someone who private rwnfs by the way.

still they would not welcome us the way they want to be welcomed and you can see that by the way they treat us in our own country.

im not interested in anything further my point is still the same.

they are sinking us along with the government and the cost of living etc end of

your happy to have them swarm everywhere we are you crack on but I’d adore being able to bring my children up somewhere I feel safe and I don’t in our cities.

if I may say, many on the left, is that by default violent inter-racial crime by white people is assumed to be racist in nature, whilst violent inter-racial crime against white people is by default assumed to not be racist in nature.

I haven’t seen any evidence this is the case.

We don't need to imagine. We can do a direct comparison with an actual case. Sara Sharif was abused, neglected and eventually killed by her immigrant Muslim father. No riots. So no, not always different just because it's Muslims.

A lot of the non-white victims who were abused simply didn't come forward because they were ashamed or feared the attention it would bring. These bastards were opportunists. They cared very little about the ethnicity of their victims. Anyone involved in these grooming gangs, whatever their race, should face the toughest possible punishment, including whole life orders where the law allows.

This is you desperately flailing to make your xenophobic generalising make sense.

Not all British people are rioters nor supportive of the riots. So to claim criticism of rioters is necessarily “anti-British” is silly. And is generalising all British people.

But you know that.

It’s just a bad faith argument. If you want to discuss sensibly and rationally fine. But I have no interest in bad faith arguments made out of boredom.

Sara was muslim too.

Yes I am fully aware, thank you. The poster didn't say 'imagine it was Muslims who raped and murdered a white baby' she just said 'imagine it was Muslims.'

But it's unlikely a white baby with no family links to Islam would have been placed with a brown, Muslim immigrant family for adoption anyway, so it's a pointless comparison.

I don't think people up and down the country were any less appalled at Sara's murder because she was a little Muslim girl, do you? She was also half white with half Christian heritage, remember. She was only a Muslim because her father declared her to be so. Still nobody rioted for her in spite of her being half white, did they.

I do find it interesting how you've written long posts to try to play down the racist aspect of the abuse from grooming gangs, and at most you've seemed to say there may be an element of racial targeting but that it's not clear it's racially motivated. On the other side you seem to be so keen to make out it that issues regarding uncontrolled immigration are racially motivated.

When people make what you see as 'racist' comments in regards to immigration how do you know it is racially motivated as opposed to it just being about the concerns that the person themselves is stating?

Riots are extremely rare but some people like to spread the narrative that any time an immigrant commits a crime that people go out rioting.

We see this all the time in Ireland too, an Irish man is convicted of rape and of course all the do-gooders comment 'when's the riot'...'where are the patriots now?'.

Ignoring the fact that the same day there has also been an immigrant in the news for being convicted of rape, and like the case of the white Irish man, no one rioted over that either.

It does feel surreal. It’s pretty much passed by without comment.

Yes, completely agree.

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@kkloo I've seen this tactic on many anti-semitism threads.