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son becoming a chef

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marmaladejam1 · 07/03/2026 03:58

Am IBU to dissuade my year 10 son from becoming a chef. Main thing is they seem to die young, lots of drugs, terrible hours etc, also he has just tested in the top 3% of the state in Science, and I wonder if it would be a waste of his talents. Plus he is at selective high school and does very well, though does no homework.
Which is why I wonder ( as he just voluntarily made mini pavlovas) if that is where his heart lies. The pavlova were perfect. Crisp on the outside and soft in the middle. Swirled perfectly into large biscuit size. I'm off to eat another one but I do worry. The industry seems to be filled with drug use.

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PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 07/03/2026 20:34

We all know that trying to discourage him won’t be successful.
I wanted to train as a florist when I was his age. My parents kept calm, told me that it was my choice and sent me to career counselling.

I ended up becoming an attorney! (I still adore flowers, floristry, gardening etc but I absolutely do not regret my career choice…)

I know quite a few bakers btw. The hours are gruelling (as well) and it’s obviously very hard work. But the ones I know seem to be quite happy, are married, usually have children and are active in their (well, our…) community.
I am not trying idealise that business. But based on my anecdotal evidence? It seems to be considerably less destructive to the people involved.

Edit: I am absolutely not trying to imply that there is anything wrong with floristry or with being a florist. It simply would not have been the right path for me. My parents were aware of that. But I definitely would not have believed them had they told me so at the time. That was something I needed to discover for myself.

LoserWinner · 07/03/2026 21:58

Different careers suit different people, and we don’t know your son. One of my kids is a chef, doesn’t do drugs or alcohol, loves his job and copes well with the peculiar hours. The best thing, I’d say, is that he has never had a problem finding work - an experienced qualified chef can always get a job. When one place he worked closed at six hours notice (owner went bust), he had just one day out of work before he started a shift in another restaurant. There are also loads of opportunity for travel, since there are hotels, restaurants and cruise ships all over the world.

marmaladejam1 · 07/03/2026 23:44

Silverbirchleaf · 07/03/2026 06:30

He’s ten. Plenty of time to change his career between now and eighteen. Allow him to enjoy his cooking.

Also, as others have said. There’s plenty of food related courses at uni.

No. He is in year 10!

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springawakeningss · 07/03/2026 23:54

I've worked in kitchens all my life and am yet to work with a chef that does drugs 🤣 the hours are long, stressful and antisocial though. He's 10, my i year old wants to work in the supermarket 🤷‍♀️ he'll likely change his mind a million times before he grows up!

loveyouradvice · 08/03/2026 00:04

be open... my cousin studied chemistry at oxford and then became a chef....

loveyouradvice · 08/03/2026 00:05

and that's not so uncommon nowadays...

marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:15

PantaloonMad · 07/03/2026 15:15

people who work in finance are also known for doing cocaine, would you tell him not to work in finance? He’s 10, he will probably change his mind anyway

He is in YEAR 10
Also to pp accusing me of being snobby , that has nothing to do with it, one of my other kids is a gardener and happy as. It's the culture, I just don't think it will suit him. He has a very relaxed nature. Of course I won't stop him from doing whatever he wants. I'm just worried that there is a reason that chefs have a lot of issues, and often short careers.
My older son's friend is a qualified chef and he works for my son sometimes helping out with gardening as he could not cope and quit after a year. He was not alone out of his group. Told me it's horrendous , so that's where I'm getting my info from. That plus the number of chefs who die young ( and these are the well-paid promininent ones). I could list 10 but that would be disrespectful. Thanks for all replies. And , again, this is nothing to do with snobbery. I just worry. If you read the total thread you will see many stories of what I am worried about happening to people. The industry needs a shake-up.

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marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:16

springawakeningss · 07/03/2026 23:54

I've worked in kitchens all my life and am yet to work with a chef that does drugs 🤣 the hours are long, stressful and antisocial though. He's 10, my i year old wants to work in the supermarket 🤷‍♀️ he'll likely change his mind a million times before he grows up!

YEAR 10!!!!

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worcesterpear · 08/03/2026 00:33

If this is what he really wants to do I wouldn't try to stop him, but to keep options open could he do A levels (or equivalents) in say, chemistry, food technology and French. He could always go onto do a degree in food science.

marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:37

AprilinPortugal · 07/03/2026 14:18

Do you want him to become a doctor? I work with a consultant, a lovely guy, who was pushed into medicine. His love was for music. He has had long term sick leave with mental health issues. He told me he wishes he could have been a musician. I know another senior doctor who committed suicide. Let your son have work experience in a kitchen and take it from there.

I;m not pushing him to do anything. I just am worried about him becoming a chef and many stories in this thread agree with. His second choice of career is a youtuber. I've told him one in a million can support themselves off internet content, but he gets 200000 views when he bothers to post so I guess may be a possibility. Something else I wouldn't encourage though.

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Figuringoutme · 08/03/2026 00:37

It isn’t drugs that you should be worried about. Thats something that comes along with almost all “stressful” jobs. I would encourage some actual work experience though. There is a very big difference between “I like to bake on a weekend” to having to prepare and cook food for 15+ hours a day. It’s very easy to go along with the schedule for the first few years but it’s not sustainable long term and when you have a family, something has to give.

You are not wrong to be concerned. The profession has some of the highest levels of suicide for a reason. The hours are intense, the work is hard and you are expected to take criticism in whatever that way is delivered (usually by being screamed at when an order comes back in).

It’s often a thankless job and unless you become a famous chef or work in some of the most expensive/ high end restaurants, the pay is dire. It may sound good but you count all the hours and it’s awful. They may soften the blow with “split shifts” but they don’t work for most people because by the time you commute home, you need to turn back around and head back to work again!

marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:40

Thank you

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marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:46

Just googled and the suicide rate is 4 times higher amongst chefs in my country than the general population. There appears to be a problem in the industry.
I am thankful to those who suggested different avenues like food science and will pass that on to him.

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marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 00:54

For the last time , he is in YEAR 10 ( almost 15yo). Is there anyway to take out all the comments about him being 10yo. Gaaahhhh! Thanks to all the people who read the OP and also all of the stories of friends and family experiences. They seem overwhelmingly negative about being a chef which was my concern. Appreciate the responses.

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marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 01:14

BrendaThePoodle · 07/03/2026 07:42

My son started smoking weed and experimenting with other drugs after he started working in kitchens. If I could go back in time and stop him from working in hospitality I would.
My bright and lovely young son who proudly got his first job at 15 by asking the local restaurant if they needed a weekend KP is now addicted to weed and a heavy drinker and casual cocaine user just 3 years later.
I miss my old boy so much. I would discourage anyone from going into hospitality. The friends he’s made are wasters who spend their time stoned or coked up in work. All in debt. All lovely pleasant lads, always lovely to me, but it’s not the path I wanted. With my son’s first ever wages he came home 15 years of age, so proud with a bag of shopping, filled with treats for his younger siblings for the weekend. Nowadays he’s vaping, smoking, drinking and has burnt through his savings and constantly asking me for money.
We were so close, he had a great childhood, he was loved and supported, (he tells me everything, from sex life to drug use) and I support him. But whilst his colleagues and new friends are all in the trenches of addiction and stoner living, he doesn’t accept that he’s an addict wasting his life.
His friends from school are all in uni or apprenticeships.

Discourage kitchens. Just don’t take the risk. I would never have thought 3 years ago my lovely son would be struggling with addiction and the MH issues weed is causing him.

I tried to PM you but can't get it to work.I'm very sorry about your son. Devestating. I have a very similar story with my sons friend. There really needs to be some sort of ombudsman overlook of the industry. There's a reason you can walk into a job any day of the week in a kitchen. You might be washing crockery or peeling potatoes but there is a reason they are desperate for staff. Pay and conditions being the main ones. This thread has just confirmed my decision to dissuade my son. If he does become a chef then that's his choice but I won't be encouraging him. Wishing you and your son all the best.

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BrendaThePoodle · 08/03/2026 03:31

marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 01:14

I tried to PM you but can't get it to work.I'm very sorry about your son. Devestating. I have a very similar story with my sons friend. There really needs to be some sort of ombudsman overlook of the industry. There's a reason you can walk into a job any day of the week in a kitchen. You might be washing crockery or peeling potatoes but there is a reason they are desperate for staff. Pay and conditions being the main ones. This thread has just confirmed my decision to dissuade my son. If he does become a chef then that's his choice but I won't be encouraging him. Wishing you and your son all the best.

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Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I became pregnant with him very young and for a long time it was just him and I. He had a terrific childhood. We had little money but we had a lovely house, we had local woods and beaches and cities that we spent time in. We would pick up cook books from our local charity shops and cook together dishes he liked the look of, one book was practically ancient and we’d have these truly camp retro dishes. It was so much fun. I thought I was teaching life skills getting him confident in cooking and I know I wasn’t doing the wrong thing intentionally but it does make me feel so guilty. If I’d have never pushed him into cooking with me maybe he’d have never walked into the restaurant. I go over things with a fine tooth comb in my head and try to assess where I fucked up, was I too honest and open with him or even though he loved my husband from being very little (DH and I have been friends for years before we got together) maybe I should have stayed single and given him my entire focus, but he loves his stepdad and siblings. I really don’t think it’s anything specific but the new friends and their ways of living that have changed him. Even vaping, he never did it once until the kitchens. It was a change over time and at first it seemed like a good change, he was more confident and making new friends and going out more. But then he was in his room more, grumpy. I knew then that it was drugs, he wasn’t a grumpy soul at all. It’s been almost 3 years of him being this new person that I don’t know anymore. I have offered to get him therapy, suggested he leave work and we can try getting him into uni, away from the work friends. He flatly refuses anything and isn’t ready to take any steps to better himself. One of his much older friends from work (he is only about 3 years younger than me!) introduced him to online gambling. His stepdad lost it a bit over that and because DH is usually laid back it did shock him a bit and he doesn’t discuss it as much so I hope he’s not doing that. As I said, the “friends” themselves are very nice. Always chatty and polite, not aggressive or rude, but their personality’s are just laid back, stoned and broke. No ambition, no drive. Actually speaking of driving, not one of them, (this is a £££ restaurant btw not Burger King) drives or has a car. I had saved up for his 18th birthday for driving lessons since he was born. On his 18th birthday with his money he agreed to get his provisional license and whatnot and I got the number of a great local instructor and said to call him. Instead his workmates all borrowed money from him and paid it back in sorting out his nights out or weed. All that money went. I know Mumsnet say gifts shouldn’t have constraint, but I was a single mum working 40 hours a week doing shitty jobs and I’d never had the opportunity to drive myself, I’m actually doing my lessons now so should pass by 40. He had that opportunity and pissed it up the wall. My son prior to the addictions was sensible, sweet and appreciated everything. Stoner son is entitled and has a victim mentality. I hate to say it.
Obviously I still love the bones of him and I offer as much support and help as I can. His stepdad has offered to teach him to drive, to help him do some studying to reapply for uni, even said that he will try getting him a job with him if he leaves the kitchens. He is too active in addiction to do that.

Sorry for my lengthy 3am trauma dump! But the industry is fucked up. I appreciate drugs are everywhere and nobody is safe from addiction if they encounter them, but I can’t help but think it’s a massive risk. My son and his fellow waiters/KPs are mostly stoners but the chefs are all heavy cocaine users. I’ve worked as a bartender, care assistant, in a pet shop and in a cafe and never once have I been offered drugs. My friends who are from hospitality industry have so many stories about drugs it’s crazy.

I hope your lovely boy friends joy in cooking as a hobby and leans into his science skills for a career. All the best to you both 💐💐

marmaladejam1 · 08/03/2026 05:39

Oh . I really hope things turn around. You did nothing wrong. If us mums of boys don't teach our sons to cook we are failures! One of my 4 went into the wilderness of drugs for a while but seems to be clawing his way out. I guess that was my original question. It seems like deliberately putting these initial "fun" opportunities in front of them for it all to come crumbling down. And not after decades, after a few years. I don't understand why it is allowed to continue - it wouldn't be allowed in any other industry - people can complain to their manager if someone just says something mean. I don't understand why this doesn't apply in the kitchens.
The only positive I can see is that he will be able to travel the world and get a job. Does make me wonder why all the vacancies though. Ta again for everyones thoughts. Given me a lot to think about. I will talk to him.

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Noodles1234 · 08/03/2026 08:34

I am closely related to a good chef.

it is not an easy career, hours are unsociable and many places are cutting corners using pre- prepared food ie gastropub using banks of microwaves or boil in a bag type food with instructions so less need for qualified chefs.

you can of course go down the day hour jobs which are generally office canteens, however again cost cutting these are getting less and less and if a company has one they’re more coffee shop style (pre made bought in) sandwich counters.

This person I know no longer really recommends it as a career, do anything else. unless, you are prepared to really go for it, move to Italy for a year to learn your trade, then live away from home amd work in fancy hotels or restaurants. It will be a huge sacrifice. But this would be the way to go.

MetalliCat89 · 08/03/2026 10:06

For goodness sakes chefs aren't all tired drug addicts! I've been a chef for 18 years and I've never used cocaine!! And out of many colleagues I think it's less than 5 who has used recreationally! We aren't wracking up lines on the pass you know!

In all seriousness the hours or course are long but the days of head chefs yelling have pretty much died out. Most kitchens work calmly and the shouting is usually because of the noise of the extractor fans and fryers so that you can be heard when walking behind someone or walking with someone hot.

It isn't like hells kitchen. It's a good career choice and yes of course you have to put the work in, but I manage it around my family as I have a 5 yo. Its not all doom and gloom.

CrazyCricketLady · 08/03/2026 10:31

My sister is a successful chef. Never used drugs. Worked in Michelin Star establishments. She's married and has children

Arran2024 · 08/03/2026 10:56

I can't believe how many people are suggesting food science - it's basically making ready meals. If you love food and cooking from scratch, this isn't a good fit. It is more for people interested in science.

CocoaTea · 08/03/2026 11:04

@marmaladejam1

I left a “high flying” finance career to go to culinary school. I should have done that straight after school instead of wasting years and years doing exams
to get professional qualifications for a job i hated.

My suggestions are:

Get your son to do some work experience in a kitchen on weekends / in holidays.

Look at proper culinary schools where he can get a good certification and experience.

Talk to him about setting up
his own business and what that might look like. I had a private chef role and a small pastry chef business from
my home when my DC were little
and I can assure you there was no cocaine or weed in my kitchen.

Fgfgfg · 08/03/2026 11:04

Ponoka7 · 07/03/2026 07:30

In a couple of years he'll make the connection between, qualifications, the world of work and the lifestyle that comes with better earning power. So will drop cooking to a hobby.

I went to school with someone who went on to become a private chef for HNW families all across the world. He copes very well on his 80k salary and three months in Bermuda every year.

Ponoka7 · 08/03/2026 11:59

Fgfgfg · 08/03/2026 11:04

I went to school with someone who went on to become a private chef for HNW families all across the world. He copes very well on his 80k salary and three months in Bermuda every year.

They are the outliers. My DD is a qualified chef, she went into the NHS during Covid, decided that the pay was enough, or rather the bigger wages wasn't worth the stress and working hours. We live in the NW and my DD had an inheritance that meant she only needed a £50k mortgage on a three bedroom, with gardens house. Not everyone is that lucky. The three months in Bermuda is great, when you are younger, happily single and child free. Hopefully he's smart with his money and doesn't go down the drinking route. I have family who run a restaurant and mobile van (for the food festivals), that's different than being a chef. Watching people struggle for decent housing has changed my opinion on choosing an occupation carefully.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 08/03/2026 12:11

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 07/03/2026 14:51

I would also encourage being dietician/nutritionist

I doubt many (any?) young men who want to be chefs would switch to becoming dietician/nutritionist.

The former is a completely male-dominated profession while the latter is overwhelmingly female.