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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 17:11

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 16:55

@MyPearlCrow @Brokenrecordroundround

I get it. There will always be people who are uncomfortable in prioritising women’s safety over male feelings. It’s how we’ve been socialised for the last millennia.

You are clearly miles from ‘getting it’.

Felixfox · 08/02/2025 17:12

This is the man’s fault. He shouldn’t have taken her swimming in the first place with the arrogant assumption that he could go into the women’s changing room.

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 17:13

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 16:57

Rape isn’t imaginary

It’s like you’re being deliberately obtuse?

It’s difficult to have a logical debate with such illogical reasoning.

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:19

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:11

Where did I say that? You make an awful lot of assumptions 🤨 I have no issue with single sex spaces, however they aren't perfect obviously an people need to use their common sense when it comes to boys and cleaners for example as this thread shows people have all different opinions on male children in female changing rooms. You sound desperate to accuse people of not caring about women or their safety if they object to posters making up detailed malicious intent on the part of this Dad.

So you’re arguing for the sake of arguing then. I thought so.

Wordsmithery · 08/02/2025 17:19

Under no circumstances is it ok for him to go into the open plan women's changing room. This pool isn't really designed for his situation. But he could have used the disabled changing room and been quick, or his own room.

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:19

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 17:13

It’s like you’re being deliberately obtuse?

It’s difficult to have a logical debate with such illogical reasoning.

Safeguarding measures aren’t illogical.

Justsaywhatyoumean123 · 08/02/2025 17:20

I personally wouldn't give a shit about the changing rooms, but YANBU as the bloke already sounds really annoying

5128gap · 08/02/2025 17:21

I think you'd have to go a long way to find a normal decent man who'd go into the ladies changing rooms, as men on here have confirmed. Any man that did would probably be the exact type single sex spaces are designed to protect women from. Either deliberate voyeurs, or arrogant entitled individuals with no regard for women's rights. The women defending it can't see beyond the fact they want their husband to be able to take their daughter swimming and don't want their daughter in a changing room with men. No consideration for other people's daughters who have to have a man in their changing room when 'hubby' strolls in.

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:28

What if there were several men needing to change their small daughters? Are women who see no problem with this man's actions ok with several men coming into the changing rooms or is it only one at a time that's ok?

And what about if a man or more than one man comes into the women's changing rooms and there are small girls being changed in there. Aren't they going to face the exact situation the man (or men) is apparently trying to avoid for his daughter?

And would women consider going into men's changing rooms to change their sons?

It all becomes a bit ludicrous. The sensible option is to use family cubicles if available or a cubicle in the parents appropriate changing room if available.

If neither of those is an option then the man (or woman) has to make a call on changing their child in the communal area of their changing room and safeguard their child appropriately or have a quick dry down poolside, throw clothes on over damp costumes and head home to change properly.

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:29

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:19

So you’re arguing for the sake of arguing then. I thought so.

Coming from a poster who has assumed people don't want DBS checks, don't care about women, people think rape is imaginary all because PP rightly said posters making up rape scenarios are operating on fear and hyperbole instead of common sense - hilarious.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 08/02/2025 17:35

Coloursofthewind2 · 08/02/2025 16:58

I'd actually argue that protecting your child from a peadophile is more important than anything else. So if it's a choice between safeguarding a child and women being uncomfortable, it's more important to safeguard a child.

But also fair enough to say that you should take your child to a place with family changing rooms to avoid having that dilemma in the first place. I never really go to a pool without my husband so it isn't an issue for us with an 8 year old son.

Protecting his child from a pedophile would simply require the father to be with the child in the men's changing room.

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 17:36

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:19

Safeguarding measures aren’t illogical.

Quite right. But you are.

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:38

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:29

Coming from a poster who has assumed people don't want DBS checks, don't care about women, people think rape is imaginary all because PP rightly said posters making up rape scenarios are operating on fear and hyperbole instead of common sense - hilarious.

So your stance is that it’s reasonable for women to have spaces away from men but we must not mention WHY we need them.
Sure. That makes sense.

ruethewhirl · 08/02/2025 17:41

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/02/2025 14:51

No I don’t think it’s ok but also I don’t think it’s a reason for a man to enter a woman’s changing room. I have sons and always managed to find ways to cope without them or me being in places we were not permitted to go.

He was a guest in the hotel and could have just taken her back to his room. As an adult woman this is what I do if swimming in a hotel pool where I’m a guest. Pretty easy

Agreed, I don't think they should have been in either changing room.

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:43

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:38

So your stance is that it’s reasonable for women to have spaces away from men but we must not mention WHY we need them.
Sure. That makes sense.

You can't see a difference in saying women should have single sex spaces available and betting this particular man was definitely a rapist who didn't succeed this time?

NovemberMorn · 08/02/2025 17:43

Well this thread has certainly brightened up a miserable Saturday, it's ranged from serious, to indignant, to fantasy.
I'm not sure whether people are deliberately misreading what posters are saying, or being deliberately thick....maybe a bit of both. 😝

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:44

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:43

You can't see a difference in saying women should have single sex spaces available and betting this particular man was definitely a rapist who didn't succeed this time?

Why should women have single sex spaces?

Emptyandsad · 08/02/2025 17:44

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:28

What if there were several men needing to change their small daughters? Are women who see no problem with this man's actions ok with several men coming into the changing rooms or is it only one at a time that's ok?

And what about if a man or more than one man comes into the women's changing rooms and there are small girls being changed in there. Aren't they going to face the exact situation the man (or men) is apparently trying to avoid for his daughter?

And would women consider going into men's changing rooms to change their sons?

It all becomes a bit ludicrous. The sensible option is to use family cubicles if available or a cubicle in the parents appropriate changing room if available.

If neither of those is an option then the man (or woman) has to make a call on changing their child in the communal area of their changing room and safeguard their child appropriately or have a quick dry down poolside, throw clothes on over damp costumes and head home to change properly.

This thread is going so bonkers that someone is going to suggest soon that women should take their daughters into the men's changing rooms. It might be the only place with no men in

NovemberMorn · 08/02/2025 17:46

Emptyandsad · 08/02/2025 17:44

This thread is going so bonkers that someone is going to suggest soon that women should take their daughters into the men's changing rooms. It might be the only place with no men in

😁

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:46

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:44

Why should women have single sex spaces?

🙄

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:48

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:46

🙄

Sorry?

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:50

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:44

Why should women have single sex spaces?

Multiple reasons. Dads taking their daughter swimming so they can access the women's changing room to rape the last woman in there isn't a common realistic occurrence and therefore the reason single sex spaces exist. I haven't claimed anywhere this man should have done what he did or been allowed in, I just said it's more likely daft mistaken logic on his part and said a poster sounded insane to detail his rape-plan and bet on it, which they did.

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:51

Brokenrecordroundround · 08/02/2025 17:50

Multiple reasons. Dads taking their daughter swimming so they can access the women's changing room to rape the last woman in there isn't a common realistic occurrence and therefore the reason single sex spaces exist. I haven't claimed anywhere this man should have done what he did or been allowed in, I just said it's more likely daft mistaken logic on his part and said a poster sounded insane to detail his rape-plan and bet on it, which they did.

Any man who puts his own wants over the safeguarding measures put in place for women is predatory.

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:54

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:48

Sorry?

I don't understand where you are coming from on this thread.

Of course women need single sex spaces. Do you really need that spelling out to you?

TENSsion · 08/02/2025 17:56

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 17:54

I don't understand where you are coming from on this thread.

Of course women need single sex spaces. Do you really need that spelling out to you?

You need to read my previous posts.

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