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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
MumChp · 07/02/2025 00:03

No, I wouldn't be understanding that a father went into the womens' room to help his daughter. At all.
It sounds 100% bonkers.

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:04

How do you know there was a free cubicle in the men’s changing room?

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

ThinWomansBrain · 07/02/2025 00:05

Other pool users backed you up, the staff backed you up, the bloke may have grumbled, but didn't use the wo/men's changing room.
what are you looking for exactly?

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:05

It sounds unfair that they sold him a ticket for swimming at 8.15 when Children's swimming had finished.

I also wouldn't want to take the little girl into the men's. The solution would be to use the disabled, they're unlikely to take a long time...?

MumChp · 07/02/2025 00:06

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

You bring the child under 8 years to your own sex changing room or in this case your hotel room.

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:07

I can see both sides. I am mother to a daughter the same age. Would I want my DH taking her in to a men’s changing room? No way! Would I want to get changed in front of a man, also no way. In his defence it sounds like he followed your suggestion and went straight back to his room. Equally not ideal if he had to walk through public areas dripping wet with a soaking wet child.

CarpetKnees · 07/02/2025 00:08

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

Firstly, they were told earlier, it was an adult swimming session so he shouldn't be there anyway

Then, as the OP has clearly stated in her post, he had the option of taking her into the mens changing room, or the option of taking her to their room, wrapped in a towel.
It seems there was also an acessible changing room which he could have used.

Eenameenadeeka · 07/02/2025 00:08

Its an issue with the facility, there should be family changing rooms for anywhere that allows children at all. I wouldn't want a man in the women's changing room, but I equally wouldn't want my husband to have to take my daughter into the men's changing room either.

Namechangedforthis25 · 07/02/2025 00:08

I don’t know the answer
but no way would I want my 5 year old daughter to be naked in front of men or see grown men naked

I think he was a good father for trying to do what he did - but I can see it from your side too

InvisibilityCloakActivated · 07/02/2025 00:09

On that instance, at 8:45pm, if I were a man with a 4 year old daughter that I didn't want to take into the men's room, when there were only a few people left in the pool, I think I would've used the disabled changing room and been as quick as I could.

Quinlan · 07/02/2025 00:10

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:05

It sounds unfair that they sold him a ticket for swimming at 8.15 when Children's swimming had finished.

I also wouldn't want to take the little girl into the men's. The solution would be to use the disabled, they're unlikely to take a long time...?

He was a hotel guest. So he wouldn’t have to buy a ticket. He just went in, after being told he couldn’t.

MumChp · 07/02/2025 00:10

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:07

I can see both sides. I am mother to a daughter the same age. Would I want my DH taking her in to a men’s changing room? No way! Would I want to get changed in front of a man, also no way. In his defence it sounds like he followed your suggestion and went straight back to his room. Equally not ideal if he had to walk through public areas dripping wet with a soaking wet child.

At our pool parents are expected to take children under 8 yo into your own changing room. It has never been an issue.
At 8 yo children go on their own to the changing room they belong.

BettyBardMacDonald · 07/02/2025 00:10

Your friend is an idiot.

He had a room in the hotel, presumably a couple of minutes from the pool. He was just being a tool trying to use the changing rooms.

rainbowsparkle28 · 07/02/2025 00:11

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AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:11

Quinlan · 07/02/2025 00:10

He was a hotel guest. So he wouldn’t have to buy a ticket. He just went in, after being told he couldn’t.

I didn't see a part that said he had been told he couldn't before he got in, only after 20 minutes. Surely they would have a staff member manning the entrance of the pool who would have let him in?

CarpetKnees · 07/02/2025 00:11

As he was clearly planning to take her swimming at the hotel, then why not pack one of those hooded towelling robes for her to go back up to their room?

StormingNorman · 07/02/2025 00:11

The problem here is that the gym does not have changing room for parents swimming with their opposite sex children. It is the swimming pools which are BU.

Parents are just trying to get their children changed in whichever changing room feels most appropriate to them - when the reality is that neither option meets their needs.

Quinlan · 07/02/2025 00:14

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:11

I didn't see a part that said he had been told he couldn't before he got in, only after 20 minutes. Surely they would have a staff member manning the entrance of the pool who would have let him in?

The OP said the staff member agreed with what she said about the changing room but that also, he was already fed up with the guy because he has been told earlier that he couldn’t bring his child into the adult swimming session. So, he had been told but did it anyway.

If it’s like the hotel round here with a pool, there is no “pool reception.” Just the main hotel reception so outside users have to check in through reception but hotel guests can just go straight into the pool area with no one to stop them. It’s just assumed that people will follow the rules.

He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:15

It’s really difficult isn’t it. I don’t think you’re wrong for not wanting a man in the women’s changing room but equally you speaking out was at the detriment of that young child. No little girl should have to get naked in front of men or be exposed to seeing them naked. Even if there were cubicles in the men’s changing room, presumably a child would still be exposed to naked men to reach them. I think the issue is with facilities made available (or lack thereof). You put yourself before the little girl but equally I don’t think you did anything ‘wrong’ for want of a better word

UncharteredWaters · 07/02/2025 00:15

Where were his clothes from getting undressed though? Had they not been left in the changing room?

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:15

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

In the men’s changing room, with him. Duh

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:16

MumChp · 07/02/2025 00:10

At our pool parents are expected to take children under 8 yo into your own changing room. It has never been an issue.
At 8 yo children go on their own to the changing room they belong.

At our pool, it’s one big communal area with plenty of individual changing rooms, so I’ve never encountered the 8 year old rule you speak of.

This wasn’t a local pool that the man frequented, he was a guest in a hotel trying to tire his daughter out before bed. He probably had no idea about the changing facilities. He probably didn’t know there was a disabled changing area, or kids couldn’t swim after 8pm, or kids under 8 having to go in the same sex changing room as their parent. The OP was a member and familiar with all this. I think dad needs to be cut some slack, the hotel should have briefed him a bit better.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:17

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:07

I can see both sides. I am mother to a daughter the same age. Would I want my DH taking her in to a men’s changing room? No way! Would I want to get changed in front of a man, also no way. In his defence it sounds like he followed your suggestion and went straight back to his room. Equally not ideal if he had to walk through public areas dripping wet with a soaking wet child.

My DD used to go swimming with her dad and because he’s not a cunt he used the men’s changing rooms, and also used his brain to make sure she was safe.

If men are such a problem little girls with their dads can’t be around them then why should women tolerate men in a woman’s space?

Whotenanny · 07/02/2025 00:18

However you want to frame it, an adult male walking into a female changing room is batshit. Thanks for saying something!