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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
PennyApril54 · 07/02/2025 00:19

He could've looked in the mens changing room to see if anyone was there and if not quickly went in with his child and got sorted enough to go back to the hotel room. If someone was there he could wait a few mins and then go in once they'd left. He wasn't taking anyone's feelings into consideration. That said the hotel should be doing something to sort the situation as there is no obvious solution and mine suggested above would only work when it is very quiet.

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:19

@BottomWibblyWob Dont 'duh' me over a question and be rude about it. I'm addressing the fact that a young girl shouldn't be in the men's changing room. Yes perhaps he should have planned it better. Agree with @Moveoverdarlin

Anotsolittlemermaid · 07/02/2025 00:19

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:04

How do you know there was a free cubicle in the men’s changing room?

The male staff member said afterwards, I’m guessing he’d either been in there and seen himself or that the men’s changing room was completely empty so obviously the cubicle was free.

OP posts:
TheatreTraveller · 07/02/2025 00:21

I have never been anywhere where the rules aren't clear surrounding this - under 8yrs accompanies the parent to the changing room for the adults sex. How do people not understand this. Honestly our swimming lessons have to repeatedly send out texts to adults who just don't get this.

andthat · 07/02/2025 00:21

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:05

It sounds unfair that they sold him a ticket for swimming at 8.15 when Children's swimming had finished.

I also wouldn't want to take the little girl into the men's. The solution would be to use the disabled, they're unlikely to take a long time...?

Where did you get that he’s been sold a ticket?

He was a guest at the hotel. No ticket needed.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:21

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:19

@BottomWibblyWob Dont 'duh' me over a question and be rude about it. I'm addressing the fact that a young girl shouldn't be in the men's changing room. Yes perhaps he should have planned it better. Agree with @Moveoverdarlin

I’ll “duh” whoever I like thank you 🤣

A young girl would be with her dad. Like many young girls are. My DD would go in the men’s changing room with her dad because he’s not a cunt who would impose on a woman’s space. It’s not ideal but it’s what has to be done. She survived

Would you object to a little boy being in the men’s changing room?

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 00:21

No men ever ever ever in womens spaces - what planet is he on, surely we must all stand together on stuff like this if not for us for our daughters

WaltzingWaters · 07/02/2025 00:21

Whotenanny · 07/02/2025 00:18

However you want to frame it, an adult male walking into a female changing room is batshit. Thanks for saying something!

This. No way should he be going in the women’s changing rooms.

Anotsolittlemermaid · 07/02/2025 00:22

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:05

It sounds unfair that they sold him a ticket for swimming at 8.15 when Children's swimming had finished.

I also wouldn't want to take the little girl into the men's. The solution would be to use the disabled, they're unlikely to take a long time...?

You don’t need to buy tickets, it’s just a hotel pool that you can access as a guest.

There is a clear timetable showing children’s hours, classes, adult only hours etc..

He’d previously asked about taking his daughter swimming during adult hours and was told no, he just ignored that.

OP posts:
Quinlan · 07/02/2025 00:22

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:16

At our pool, it’s one big communal area with plenty of individual changing rooms, so I’ve never encountered the 8 year old rule you speak of.

This wasn’t a local pool that the man frequented, he was a guest in a hotel trying to tire his daughter out before bed. He probably had no idea about the changing facilities. He probably didn’t know there was a disabled changing area, or kids couldn’t swim after 8pm, or kids under 8 having to go in the same sex changing room as their parent. The OP was a member and familiar with all this. I think dad needs to be cut some slack, the hotel should have briefed him a bit better.

He did know his daughter wasn’t allowed in the pool. He had asked earlier and been told no. He took her in anyway.

It is also common fucking sense that an adult man has absolutely no business walking into a women’s communal changing room where women will be standing naked and showering and changing. You just don’t do that. You take your child into your own sex changing room.

Every pool I’ve ever visited without a unisex changing village has the 8 year old rule. Under 8 goes into the changing room matching the sex of the adult they are with and over 8 goes into the changing room matching their sex alone.

andthat · 07/02/2025 00:23

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

A) in his room.

B) in the male changing room.

Absolutely zero need for him to be in the women’s changing room.

AwaitingFreedom · 07/02/2025 00:23

If men are such a problem little girls with their dads can’t be around them then why should women tolerate men in a woman’s space?
Worth repeating.

A man who refuses to listen when told no by someone (another male) who works there is not the type of man you want in the same room as you when you are naked. There were multiple women getting dry/dressed why should his "need" overrule theirs? He was deliberately boundary pushing.

andthat · 07/02/2025 00:24

Quinlan · 07/02/2025 00:22

He did know his daughter wasn’t allowed in the pool. He had asked earlier and been told no. He took her in anyway.

It is also common fucking sense that an adult man has absolutely no business walking into a women’s communal changing room where women will be standing naked and showering and changing. You just don’t do that. You take your child into your own sex changing room.

Every pool I’ve ever visited without a unisex changing village has the 8 year old rule. Under 8 goes into the changing room matching the sex of the adult they are with and over 8 goes into the changing room matching their sex alone.

👆

PennyApril54 · 07/02/2025 00:24

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 00:21

No men ever ever ever in womens spaces - what planet is he on, surely we must all stand together on stuff like this if not for us for our daughters

Yes how would he like it if his daughter was a little older old enough to go into the ladies' changing area on her own and then a dad with a younger child went in too, possibly getting dried/changed himself! It just creates the issue he was trying to get away from for someone else.

Anotsolittlemermaid · 07/02/2025 00:24

ThinWomansBrain · 07/02/2025 00:05

Other pool users backed you up, the staff backed you up, the bloke may have grumbled, but didn't use the wo/men's changing room.
what are you looking for exactly?

This is AIBU where people sometimes ask if they were unreasonable in a situation.

Sometimes the situation might feel completely reasonable to the OP but then they get unanimously told otherwise.

I wanted to know if others felt I was reasonable or not… hth.

OP posts:
Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:24

TheatreTraveller · 07/02/2025 00:21

I have never been anywhere where the rules aren't clear surrounding this - under 8yrs accompanies the parent to the changing room for the adults sex. How do people not understand this. Honestly our swimming lessons have to repeatedly send out texts to adults who just don't get this.

I’ve got three children, been having swimming lessons for six years on and off (off thanks to covid) and I have never heard this rule. Our pool has individual cubicles in a mixed changing room. So it’s just not a rule I’ve ever heard of.

TunnocksOrDeath · 07/02/2025 00:25

You're getting angry with the wrong person. It is not this man's fault that the hotel had not provided a family changing area for their guests. If he and his daughter couldn't both go in the same changing area, then they'd both have had to walk through the hotel in swimming gear, which most establishments would not permit. The timing is irrelevant since the problem would have arrisen whatever time they'd used the pool.
First you got him chucked out the pool, then you berated him for something that wasn't his fault.
Man in womens changing rooms is not ideal, but couldn't you have given him five minutes to get his little girl sorted ?

OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 00:25

Moveoverdarlin · 07/02/2025 00:04

How do you know there was a free cubicle in the men’s changing room?

In the men's. In the same way it would be unacceptable for a woman to bring a small boy in to the men's changing, it is also inappropriate for a man to bring a small girl in to the women's.

If he didn't want to bring her to the men's he could bring her straight to his room. Or he could have used the cubicle in the men's. If it was occupied, he could have waited until it was free.

bournevilleismyfavourite · 07/02/2025 00:25

You’re right. Male entitlement. Well
done for standing up to him.

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:26

Two years ago when my kids were 2 and 4 we stayed in a British hotel with a pool. They're not that common. My kids were very excited.

Fortunately we were a foursome so were able to go in both changing rooms, but when we got in the pool, after about ten minutes it became clear there was some kind of fitness session starting up at one end of the pool

We had no idea when we booked, checked in, or went to the pool, there was no signage or information given. However we were given some filthy looks by the women in the group, and we felt very unwelcome and didn't stay long.

Unfortunately hotels seek to make money by letting out a portion of the pool, when at the same time, hotel guests will be keen to use the pool, and the hotel gains bookings by advertising their pool. Hotels need to be clearer about timetables and black out times at the point of booking.

It was unkind of you to talk about the dad to the staff member, and unprofessional of him to comment to you about it. Your friend made some good points, but you have brushed those aside, saying she was the wrong person to talk to.

As I said, in that situation I would have used the disabled changing room, but it seems you even disapprove of that.

Oh dear!

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:26

For people who think that women should tolerate a man being in their changing room because girls are just way too delicate to be in a male changing room with their dad - have you thought there’ll be daughters of the mums in the women’s changing room? Do they not matter? Or is it all about what the man wants?

SleepPrettyDarling · 07/02/2025 00:26

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 07/02/2025 00:05

It sounds unfair that they sold him a ticket for swimming at 8.15 when Children's swimming had finished.

I also wouldn't want to take the little girl into the men's. The solution would be to use the disabled, they're unlikely to take a long time...?

It wouldn’t be ticketed or payable if they’re hotel guests. They presumably just walked in and ignored the timing rule.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:27

PennyApril54 · 07/02/2025 00:24

Yes how would he like it if his daughter was a little older old enough to go into the ladies' changing area on her own and then a dad with a younger child went in too, possibly getting dried/changed himself! It just creates the issue he was trying to get away from for someone else.

Some men just think they have the right to ride roughshod over women’s rights and are utterly offended when a woman stands up for herself

OverpricedCupcake · 07/02/2025 00:28

YANBU
Men do not belong in women's changing rooms ever, I'm so sick of this, and angry about it too.
The problem is for him to solve, not the women who are entitled to privacy.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:28

Anotsolittlemermaid · 07/02/2025 00:24

This is AIBU where people sometimes ask if they were unreasonable in a situation.

Sometimes the situation might feel completely reasonable to the OP but then they get unanimously told otherwise.

I wanted to know if others felt I was reasonable or not… hth.

I would do the same and have done. I’ve been called a Karen because a man came into the loo at Pizza Express but thinks because he shouted beforehand it would be ok. I said no its inappropriate for a man to be in here (DD how as 8 at the time was with me) and I got a very huffy prick calling me a Karen 🙄

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