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The Times newspaper is left wing

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Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 09:50

The Times has been moving to the left for years. They’re trying to compete with The Guardian as much as The Telegraph. They try to reflect the politics of the middle and governing classes which veer left.

It’s a high quality publication, but as a conservative I read it knowing there will be many left-wing writers whose opinions I disagree with. Hugo Rifkind is one example.

The news stories also veer left - for instance the recent attack on the finances of the Royal Family which was carried out in conjunction with Channel 4. There is also a lot of focus on Gaza and not much support for Israel.

My feed on X by contrast is properly right wing. And also low status.

AIBU to think The Times is left wing?

OP posts:
Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:06

The times isn’t left wing it’s owned by Rupert murdoch judging by what you want stick to the mail and express that should get you frothing at the mouth for some rabid right wing views

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:06

The Times will reflect the political views of its readership to no small degree.

It's a liberal newspaper. It believes most the concept of liberalism being a counter to hold power to account. And liberalism allows people to socially live as they like without being told what to do. Liberalism in terms of the market operating with too much government intervention also exists.

Our understanding of liberalism has shifted to this false one about having set specific values has unfortunately confused matters. As has a growing acceptance that a greater degree of government intervention in economic matters - particularly with regards to healthcare has crept in.

But it hasn't really changed that much. The world around it has though.

Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:08

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:15

@Thatsenoughcoffee

"William Hague is a massive leftie"

That's ridiculous. He holds centre right views.
OP, I think you are the Overton window in action and have moved a long way across the dial and would probably quite enjoy the new telegraph (which is no longer a paper of record as a result of being pitched so far right in the last decade)

Re: Trump. There are good reasons for right wing Brits to be concerned even they're pro the culture side. One in every £11 of our exports go to the US and he's whacking on trade tariffs. And of course we chose to leave the EU so we've shrunk our market there.

Thing is though some people like this poster have gone so far to the right think Enoch Powell level that any thing we would see as the right like hague or even thatcher as she wanted to be part of the EU. Are not to the right enough. That’s why I believe the tories we have now with reform are on the margins of the far right which many like this poster like. As I told him he needs to stick to the mail or express

anniegun · 07/11/2024 16:09

The Times is definitely to the right. They have had a meltdown over school fees and inheritance tax hardly left wing concerns. They bang on about public sector pay rises and unions as if it was the 70s

Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:09

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:06

The Times will reflect the political views of its readership to no small degree.

It's a liberal newspaper. It believes most the concept of liberalism being a counter to hold power to account. And liberalism allows people to socially live as they like without being told what to do. Liberalism in terms of the market operating with too much government intervention also exists.

Our understanding of liberalism has shifted to this false one about having set specific values has unfortunately confused matters. As has a growing acceptance that a greater degree of government intervention in economic matters - particularly with regards to healthcare has crept in.

But it hasn't really changed that much. The world around it has though.

Bull crap the times isn’t liberal dear oh dear it’s owned by the same people that do the Sun ffs

Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:10

anniegun · 07/11/2024 16:09

The Times is definitely to the right. They have had a meltdown over school fees and inheritance tax hardly left wing concerns. They bang on about public sector pay rises and unions as if it was the 70s

Yes but this poster at a hunch is further maybe a bit Mein Kampf territory

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:12

Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:09

Bull crap the times isn’t liberal dear oh dear it’s owned by the same people that do the Sun ffs

My dear, you can't shift newspapers if you don't reflect the beliefs of your readership enough. The idea that Murdoch controls this fully is also idiotic.

The Murdochs don't care on two accounts 1) as long as they make money b) the owners aren't held to account.

Everyone else is fair game...

Littlemissgobby · 07/11/2024 16:13

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:12

My dear, you can't shift newspapers if you don't reflect the beliefs of your readership enough. The idea that Murdoch controls this fully is also idiotic.

The Murdochs don't care on two accounts 1) as long as they make money b) the owners aren't held to account.

Everyone else is fair game...

It is still to the right though no matter what you say it is not liberal

LBFseBrom · 12/11/2024 13:44

I've always found The Times to be balanced, there will be an article by someone moderately left and a feature by another journalist who is fairly right wing. It has always been so and quite a good read.

LostittoBostik · 12/11/2024 19:04

casapenguin · 07/11/2024 15:33

I’m enjoying this thread because it’s one of the rare time you see a discussion around left/liberal disntinctions. I really think we miss out in the U.K. from not doing much ‘political philosophy’ either in school or in our media discourse so it’s easy to fall into the trap of ‘lefty liberal’ being the same thing, when it’s not.

also op, I really do not think Kamala Harris qualifies as leftist. The democrats are tories to me, I don’t think America has a mainstream left.

Good point

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