..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

The women probably only get one day a week. Because there are a LOT of them.

Indeed.

The point about ERC was that women needing same sex care (hardly rare amongst female rape victims) were being told to "reframe their trauma" to accommodate the preferences and wishes of men. Completely ignoring the basic therapist approach that the client must feel able to talk to the therapist.

That isn't a supportive environment for anyone - male or female. Its a vanity project.

I know it's not the point, but the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre isn't a women's service, and wasn't before Mridul Wadhwa was appointed, though they offer women only sessions at dedicated times.

I agree that anybody accessing rape care services should have the autonomy to reject provision from a gender or sex they aren't comfortable with, and thus that the dismissal was wrong.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

If my son is entitled due to feeling rage at the shit treatment he got at our rape centre so be it. I’m not going to apologise. I’m sick to death of raped young boys and teens never, ever being considered . They are stigmatised for having been raped and stigmatised for wanting and needing support… and let down massively. They are never heard or recognised. Literally nobody cares about them but as you were.

No GRC legally equals man however he dresses.

Mridul applied for and was given a job that was reserved under the equality act for females only.

Mridul is biologically, legally and morally a man.

How funny that your user name appears to suggest you're male with such an opinion. 🤔

I absolutely agree that female spaces should remain as such, no exceptions.

But how about we don't tell the mother of someone who was raped that he should go and campaign ffs.

Imagine telling a woman who was raped, and doesn't have access to a crisis centre, that she needs to get out there with a sandwich board around her neck ringing a bell for change.

If anyone is interested there was a court case recently brought by an ex employee who was "investigate", for having gender critical beliefs , when she raised concerns about the running of the centre.

The court ruling was damming of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. For anyone interested the judgment can be found here.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66618ed3fa3a410907e67be7/MsRRDAdamssvEdinburghhRapeCrisissCentre--4102236.2023--Judgment.pdf

I'm not really comfortable with a man asking female rape survivors if they orgasmed during their rape. This is what the man Wadha asked survivors during counselling sessions.

I don't think anyone is saying that, just that a) why didn't men of previous generations campaign as women did, b) this thread isn't about that.

Oddly enough my sympathy is entirely and wholly reserved for the women damaged by this man ( he has no GRC)

MW told rape victims to reframe their trauma, bullied an employee out of their job and created a toxic work environment entirely centred around himself

and how exactly does one live as a woman?? Popping on a sari and growing one’s hair as MW has done is a costume that is all.

rape Support services may indeed offer services for male and female survivors. What they cannot do is lie to women who think they are getting a single sex service when they are in fact not

This is a thread where women who have had to campaign under death threats, lost their jobs, been derided as bigots are finally vindicated that they should have been allowed female only services.

How about people don't try and derail and make it all about men for a change?

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

I am not comfortable with a man lying to get a job specifically designated for women only. Any man willing to do such a hateful thing is not worthy of anything other than contempt.

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I don’t agree , legally he is a man who applied for a post reserved for women.

We need to be able to call this out.

What is hateful is his treatment of women who need single sex care. Women should not need to ‘reframe our trauma’ to accommodate men who identify as women. Or any other man.

You need to start your own thread about this, and your own campaign. I'm very sorry for what happened to your son, but this thread is specifically about the new report into Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre and you are derailing it by repeating your own concerns many times over.

So what are you doing about it?

Making an issue thet directly affects women is helping your son is it?

I’m sorry your son went through that, but it’s not what this thread is about. This is nothing to do with male victims, it’s about a man who runs this particular rape crisis and the other men he employed.

Their website says they've supported trans rights and have integrated this as part of their service since 2008, which is some 13 or so years before Wadwha was appointed.

I haven't said a single thing in their defense. I've said using hateful terminology detracts from otherwise valid points. I don't agree that only women are capable of managing a rape support service, because women are not unique in suffering rape or sexual assault. But if that was the criteria set then it shouldn't have been moved from.

My username doesn't imply that I'm a man at all. It refers to a funny scene from a sitcom.

I'm a rape survivor, and in no way was I able to campaign or fight for anything immediately after the event. I was able to access all the help I needed. I find telling the mother of a male rape survivor that he ought to be campaigning for services he needs frankly fucking disgusting.

In response to OP question. Lots of people, particularly women did try to do something about the situation. But throughout the charitable sector as elsewhere the trans agenda of being able to identify as the opposite sex has taken hold. And in Scotland may women's groups were basically told they would not get funding if they weren't trans inclusive. Many, many threads about this on FWR.

As to lack of support services for men who have been raped, it is true there aren't that many services, but as this has been pointed out for years it isn't clear why more hasn't been done to provide services.

And without wanting to make it a competition, in fact 1 session a week is more than many women are getting where either you are on a waiting list to receive support in anything up to 18 months or find that the waiting list is closed.

None of which is right of course.

And anyone could start a thread or AIBU about this lack of provision.
https://safeline.org.uk/services/national-male-helpline/

Just everyonce in a while it would be nice if women really could genuinely feel that have rights that should be respected and not feel that they should put themselves second.

Why is it hateful to call a man a man?

Women were not offered women only sessions. They were offered sessions which were available to anyone who identified as a woman and where the therapist could be a biological male identifying as a woman. That isn't therapy - its a basic of therapy that the client must be able to feel comfortable with the therapist.

I wasn't particularly comfortable with a male (no GRC) with a history of bizarre publicity tactics for dubious causes being put in a role which can legally be restricted to a female and which requires considerable diplomatic skills.

They can indeed provide trans ppl with rape support

what they can’t do - and which they absolutely did do - is to refuse to guarantee single sex rape support to women who ask for it

How about we, for once, have one thread about how males are impacting and affecting a womens only service without people coming on and making it about men?

It's like men and their apologists have to make everything about them because God forbid, the patriarchy and its fanclub goes without attention.

Is 'man' hateful terminology now? He is one, biologically and legally, he told women to reframe their trauma and called them bigots if they wanted to be in a supportive environment without a man.