..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

If an organisation has a policy of only employing women and a job is given to a man then they have breached their own policy. Yes, he is still legally a man because he doesn't have a Gender Recognition Certificate that says he should be treated as a woman. Living as a woman doesn't mean that biologically you're a woman and legally without a GRC you're also not a woman. Whilst legal and biological facts may be unpalatable they're not necessarily hateful.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful

You can call him whatever you like, but stating facts is not 'hateful'. We are all over this nonsense now, thanks very much.

Back to the topic. I honestly can't believe this was allowed to happened. He is a disgrace and these poor women were failed.

'man' isn't considered hateful terminology on MN.

I remember when this first came out the man in charge said that raped women should prioritise educating themselves and then when they were understood that men were women they would qualify to get support from those men. he didn't use those words exactly (although he did stipulate that first they should educate themselves) but that is exactly what he meant. And he wasn't challenged! Radio interview on the news and this was just broadcast as information to women - if you are raped, prioritise the needs of men before your own. If you feel unsafe in the one place that is supposed to support you, get over yourselves.

I was enraged and my distrust of self-ID turned to disgust at it.

Indeed.

If one can't call a man a man it makes it much harder to discuss the problem.

Sandy Brinkley of Rape Crisis Scotland and Maggie Chapman MSP have a lot to answer for in this mess.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man.
All right. First, please let us know what "lived as a woman" involves, as no one has ever been able to detail the specifics of it. I'm a woman and I make no plans how to woman on waking each day, I simply live my life in a female sexed body.

I'm not comfortable referring to trans identified XY men as women and will not do so.

It seems unnecessarily hateful In what way? MW is and has always been a male bodied person, and as humans cannot change sex there is nothing hateful about the truth. Hurt feelz? Up to MW to deal with them when not larping the day away.

The ERCC should be ashamed that this nonsense has been allowed to go on for so long with much detriment to women.
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How vile. You have literally no idea. My time has been focussed on supporting a mentally ill,suicidal young person, battling for mental health treatment and education, searching for rape support, dealing with police and services whilst trying to hold down a job and parent other children. Campaigning for equal rape support isn’t high on my agenda even if I had the time which I don’t.

That’s truly awful. Why are you embarrassed though?

Tut tut, don't you realise a man's feelings would have been hurt if the needs of traumatised women had been given priority.

They really do. MW is a vile, vile man. Shame on all those who supported and facilitated him.

This is where TWAW ideology has got us. It's the furthest thing from being progressive and kind. Sex matters.

Dismayed but not surprised that yet another thread gets derailed by the 'but what about the mens' feelings' brigade. Have a day off.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

Well he is a man, both biologically and, if we insist on indulging the insanity of legal sex, he is legally a man. He should never have been appointed.

Stating facts is not hateful but using the accusation to shame women into silence is misogynistic and hateful.

I don't want to derail the thread but Women's Aid in Scotland do not offer services to male survivors, they are women's only services.
Note, not necessarily single-sex services as each service will have it's own policy on that, male survivors however are not provided for by women's aid.

Calling a biological man ‘he’ is not ‘hateful’ FFS - since when has that become such an overused buzzword for anyone calling a spade a spade?

And what exactly is ‘living as a woman’ meant to mean? Growing your hair, wearing a dress and a bit of slap does not make you female.

Im actually sick to death of these fetishist men bulldozing their way into women’s single sex spaces demanding anyone who doesn’t pander to their emperors new clothes delusions needs re educating (lecturing and scolding)

The shameless way actual women are acting like owns pandering handmaidens to support this misogyny against their own sex is the real hateful behaviour.

Sticking on a bad wig and an M&S dress does not make a man ‘stunning and brave’ it just shows his male entitlement will always come screaming through.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

You're too outraged, angry, upset, struggling to start a campaign or a even a post about your son has been treated.

But not too outraged, angry or upset to hijack a thread that affects women and attempt to make it about your son?

I am so, so glad this day has finally come, but so beyond incandescent that women who were suffering have been further damaged. I hope they finally sack MW, good luck reframing your trauma, you prick.

I wasn't aware the poster was in Scotland.

Amen to this

I didn't mean Women's Aid, I meant Rape Crisis.

It's an awful experience for anyone but this poster apparently assumes that as soon as it happens to a man the thread has to derail.

I was raped twice and never received help even after going to the hospital immediately after. I spent a long time as a peer support worker for women who have gone through the same thing. I definitely wouldn't have been able to have a male support worker or support group.

This. My husband works as a business advisor to our local Rape Crisis charity. He has never set foot on the premises . He meets the managers ( all female) off site. It would never occur to him to go to the centre. Hes a man. He has never experienced things that women are rightly fearful of in person... because he's a man. But he absolutely knows that he has no place there. Why can't transwomen summon up even the tiniest bit of empathy and understand that women who have been raped don't want to be anywhere near anyone who is quite clearly biologically male.

The amount of threads that women’s rights appear on and “derail” is massive. But that’s ok. Equal rights for rape support provision is pertinent to any conversation on the subject.

It’s not equal though is it?

Have you seen what happened to Sarah Summers. 3 options there for the male but not one option for a woman who needed single sex care.