..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

The man that runs that centre - he has no GRC so is a man and I can call him a man - is an utter disgrace.

I don't agree that only women are capable of managing a rape support service, because women are not unique in suffering rape or sexual assault.

From Police Scotland in 2022/23 94% of rape or attempted rape victims were female. 86% of sexual assault victims were female.

Advising people to get involved in campaigning is good advice. Its how to change things if you actually want change.

Its the commonest reason for people getting involved in campaigning - their direct experience of the problems caused by poor services, lack of services or gaps in understanding.

Now how about sticking to the actual discussion which was about one man and his appalling treatment of women?

What part of my comment would make you think I disagree with anything your saying?

I just found the comment reprehensible.

Okay so if your son is too traumatised why don't you or your husband or your father or your brother or one of your son's friends do the campaigning then?

If everyone thought like you - that nobody who had actually experienced or was close to someone who had should be expected to get involved in organising better support and treatment there wouldn't BE ANY rape centres at all, ever.

I wonder who voted YABU. Are they going to comment ?

@MartinsSpareCalculator I don’t really care if you feel uncomfortable with a male being called a man. You can believe that MW is a woman but thankfully you can’t force other people to pretend to.

The toxic culture at ERC was because MW and his helpful idiot trustees thought that their beliefs mattered more than the women using the service.

So a vulnerable women has been raped and is trying to access assistance at a traumatic time. And because they raise a question over the gender of someone involved in that care they are:

1. bigoted, and
2. need pulling up about being bigoted. I read a podcast transcript of the lead person involved in this debacle, and that’s the theme: bigoted people can get raped and need to be held responsible for their bigoted views. I am sorry but anyone with half a brain can understand that a woman or young girl who has just been raped is extremely vulnerable and everything should be done to make that victim feel safe. That’s it. As for the employee who was hounded because she wanted to protect these victims, what an awful ordeal for her, too.

I'd like to say some of the posts on this thread are astonishing but they're not.

This is about females being harmed because male feelings were prioritised over female rape survivors needs. And yet again here are several posters saying "but what about male feelings"

Give your heads a wobble FFS.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

They will have only lived as whatever they see a woman as being, not with the biology of an actual female.
It's hateful to assume a woman ( or a man) is just a concept or identity that one can adopt.

The lack of single sex support groups is not just limited to the ERCC.

Sarah is suing Sussex rape crisis an survivors network to try and get a female only support group. Currently the women's group is open to anyone who identifies as a woman despite the fact there is a separate trans group
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4539958-big-update-on-rape-crisis-legal-challenge

I am very sorry about what happened to your son. I hope he got the support and help he needed

But. You know who set up these services for women? women did. In the face of horrendous hostility.

So i don't think it's too much to ask that for a crime that mostly has women as victims, and pen as perpetrators, keeps the sexes separate.

Men, of course, are welcome to campaign for and run rape centres for male victims. They will get advice, help and support from women who have done all this before. Unlike women who just get abuse and obstacles.

I can't get over that a man with no therapeutic training skills whatsoever was allowed to join in with therapy sessions for women who had been raped and got to ask them if they orgasmed as they were being raped. Then went on to describe these experiences as the fun, enjoyable part of his job. He's a very sick man.

It is because we all keep quiet. I don't. I speak out in shops, saying 'There is a man in a ladies' changing room'. I speak out at GPs, when I want to see a woman doctor, I insist I see a woman doctor, I don't care what they say. I just say 'I want a woman'. End of. If I see a trans person in town, obviously I don't call them Sir, because this is not important, etc. If it is a hairdresser who is a trans man to woman, I see no problem with it, but psychologists, doctors, child teachers - sorry, we must speak out, we must not be silent.

Yes this is important. Didn’t the male have 2 other options, the male support & the trans support yet he chose the women’s support and when Sarah objected she was removed from the service?

and a separate Men's Group. So males have potentially 3 groups to choose from and the Women have 1 that might include transwomen.

I think that's right, so he had all the options and she had none.

Mortified means embarrassed. You surely mean disgusted, in which case I agree with you.

This fact he still is in his job is utterly shocking

I am hoping that this new report gets rid of him, at least on the grounds of incompetence. Not the grounds I'd like, but it will serve the purpose.

well you can continue to mis-sex a man who for some reason absolutely had to be involved in the "care" of traumatised women.

Not here, though, if you don't mind.

I am glad these many horrific incidents are finally making it out of the ghetto of the FWR board and to the mainstream boards.

Were you here during the general election 🙄 ?

Campaign for better male rape survivor system then. The issue on the thread is about rape of women.