To think Eurovision is no longer about the talent

[misszebra]

Following from a discussion seen in lots of threads. I was so disappointed at the clear political motive behind the jury and popularity votes this year. Switzerland did fantastic, but IMO the image of Switzerland as the 'neutral' country might have been behind a lot of the jury votes at least, although I am glad he won over some others.
Germany were the best by miles I felt, Isaak has such fantastic raw talent and didn't need the circus around him to prove it.

Does anyone else think a lot of the votes were due to politics?

Its a shame to see clear talent pushed under the rug...

I'm not sure it was ever about the talent tbh!

Nothing is ever about talent.

Was it ever about talent?
The last talent in Eurovision was 50 years ago!

it never was.

The voting has always been political.

But it's always been political

you know what I mean. whether or not you think they are talented, at least its previously been about the performance they put on and was it entertaining.

another one for ‘ it never was’ ….. except ABBA

Switzerland was miles better than Germany imho.

you didn't watch Austria in 2014 I take it?

The political voting is hardly new bit o think Nemo has a great voice and it was a catchy tune. I was happy for them.

Was it ever? I think you must have missed Terry Wogan’s “Oooh - Norway gave 12 points to Sweden! What a surprise!”

Eurovision has never been about talent and has always had political voting.

Switzerland were great and a good 2nd to Germany for me.

😂😂😂😂😂

What were you expecting?
Switzerland was the best on the night regardless.

no - it was never that. Entertaining, yes, but not anything else in your post

It's never been about the talent OP! i remember watching years ago with Terry Wogan and he would always know who would vote for who (Greece would give Cyprus 12 points and vice versa) but nothing to Turkey etc.. The politics were always there. I think the change is the vibe - the politics are overt now. I found yesterday to be uncomfortable but also quite interesting. It was interesting to see how Israel got 12 points from the UK audience. I think that politics is run by who makes the 'most noise' which I think the audience were voting against rather than the hideous Israeli government. Interesting times.

Does anyone else think a lot of the votes were due to politics?

The voting has always been political!

I was having this discussion with dh earlier on. I can't remember eurovision being so camp and ridiculous. I remember seeing Abba and they were just really good. Bucks Fizz were cheesy but fun. Now we have guys trying to look like they are in a gay porn film. And girls flashing bits we don't need to see.

And thats before we even get to the voting nonsense...

Back in the 70s/80s, I remember my dad cackling every single year at Greece and Cyprus giving each other a reciprocal douze points. Turkey got nul points from both of them. No matter what the acts were like😆

T'was ever thus.

It's never really been about the talent imho.

It's never been about the talent and has been political for a very long time.

Ah, just noticed you already said that @atotalshambles🤣 Things moved on while I was crafting my post!

I think it's had its day tbh.
Even the UK presenters sounded jaded last night and the political shenanigans are just ridiculous.
I liked the two lady presenters , but it was so drawn out with the televote and they could have sped that up a lot.