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Kinsey (TW: CSA)

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 21:40

Kinsey wrote, “It is difficult to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should be disturbed at having its genitalia touched . . . or disturbed at even more specific sexual contacts . . . [T]he emotional reactions of the parents, police officers, and other adults who discover that the child has had such a contact, may disturb the child more seriously than the sexual contacts themselves.”

Kinsey was a sick man who completely ignored the women he polled and most said they were frightened when they were sexually abused and he said the above. The tables in his book which he used to ‘prove’ that children are sexual beings from birth were criminal child abuse described as research. How and why was this allowed to happen?

‘Some of the information Kinsey reported could only have been gathered through criminal activity. There is no other way to explain his tables detailing the timing, number, and frequency of sexual climaxes observed in children between the ages of 2 months and 14 years. As it turns out, buried in the report, Kinsey admits that these statistics were taken from the personal diaries of pedophiles (although Kinsey did not use that term).

More recently, members of the medical and psychological community have examined these tables and commented that not only is it illegal to treat children in this way, but abusive and inhumane, since “a significant number of the children would have had to be forcibly held down,” and “the emotional trauma involved could have been extremely serious, perhaps even fatal in some cases.” 3 Yet, there was no effort on Kinsey’s part to follow-up on his “research” with these children to determine if damage had been done.’

‘Sexologists’ university professors are using this research to destigmatise pedophilia, it’s v disturbing.

AIBU to be concerned by this?

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housemaus · 26/01/2022 21:59

‘Sexologists’ university professors are using this research to destigmatise pedophilia, it’s v disturbing.

Do you have a source for this? I'm not questioning it at all - I don't have enough faith in people to be honest - but that's a very scary-sounding first post and people reading it should have context!

nosyupnorth · 26/01/2022 22:06

That section of his work was disturbing but the same could be said of a lot of research at the time, modern standards around ethical experimentation just didn't exist (see also forced sterlisiations, babies deprived of contact, and many many more), why Kinsey specifically - what exactly is your real agenda behind trying to stir up outrage over something that happened more than half a century ago alongside a completely unsourced accusation?

Stath · 26/01/2022 22:09

…it seems to feed into ‘queer theory’ and the insidious breaking down of children and vulnerable people’s sexual boundaries.

Yet again it’s men using power against women and children to justify abuse Sad

AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:31

@housemaus Yes, of course, I’ve got a lot of links. My ‘agenda’ is that I’m extremely disturbed and upset by this agenda. There are TED talks about how we must be nicer to pedophiles because that’s why the ‘offend’ apparently, because of social stigma...

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:32

@housemaus Ah sorry, the second part of my message was for @nosyupnorth who seems to be implying I’m not sure what, that I am a posting in bad faith.

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:33

nationalfile.com/twitter-allows-pedophiles-to-discuss-child-sex-on-their-site/

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:38

Sorry it’s not the original uploader but there’s another. She actuality said at one point that pedophiles can be non exclusive then she contradicts herself and says they’re not pedophiles because they’re not exclusively attracted to children.

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:39
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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:39

The last one is inside the life of a ‘virtuous’ pedophile

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:39

Another TED talk

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:50

‘In 2019, Twitter quietly changed its terms of service to permit discussion about "attraction towards minors" with the proviso that "they don’t promote or glorify child sexual exploitation in any way".’

mobile.twitter.com/mike_salter/status/1212888057252171776?lang=en

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:54

@Stath Have you seen this? Queer theory jeopardy

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 22:56

Allyn Walker, a trans university professor of Sociology and Criminology, in his phd thesis advocated the use of ‘child pornography’ (his wording) as treatment for pedophiles.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10207985/University-professor-sparks-fury-claiming-sexual-attraction-children-isnt-immoral.html

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 23:00

@housemaus OMG sorry, I just realised you wanted a source for my OP, v sorry, here is Judith Reisman’s legal action regarding this:

www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/liberty_counsel_amicus.pdf

There’s also a documentary, Kinsey’s Pedophiles

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Whatifitallgoesright · 26/01/2022 23:03

Thanks for the resources. This is useful;
uncommongroundmedia.com/%ef%bb%bfcharities-institutional-climates-conducive-to-child-sexual-abuse/

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 23:21

@Whatifitallgoesright Thank you so much! Yes, the same climate that allowed it to go on for so long 😞

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AutomaticMoon · 26/01/2022 23:29

www.newsmax.com/amp/pre-2008/academics-defend-pedophilia/2004/09/23/id/680642/

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