Pram vs

[Misspollyhadadollie]

This just happened on the bus so thought it would be interesting to see who wbu. on the bus, baby is in her pram, next to me is another pram there is a space between our prams and in there was an elderly ladies shopping trolley. After a few stops a lady with a buggy gets on and stands there looking at the space. The old lady does not move her shopping trolley. A man behind the lady with the pram shouts loudly at the old lady to move her shopping trolley. It descended into an argument as old lady didn't want to move it. Old lady gets off bus at the next stop as man is being argumentative. Lady with the 3rd pram said nothing. At first I thought she was with the man but she wasn't. Who was unreasonable (personally I thought lady with pram should have folded)

No wheelchairs involved so it's first come first served.

I would say the woman should have moved her trolly, simply because she can stand elsewhere on the bus with her trolly and there is specific bays for wheelchairs and prams

Shopping trolleys can sometimes double as mobility aids, especially for elderly people. There were already 2 prams on the bus, the woman with the 3rd pram should have folded regardless or waited for another bus.

Was there somewhere else the trolley could have gone? Did she have it next to her and need it as a walking aid?

Either way it's bloody disgraceful that a grown man thought it ok to intimidate an elderly lady to the extend that she had to get off. Did nobody tell him to cut it out?

No no one got involved. I didn't as I didn't need him starting on me as I was with my kids. She was sitting down so not using it as an aid.

Just to add the old lady got off due to them man not cos it was her stop. She said she would wait for the next but think it was cos she was intimidated.

Terrible that a man intimidated an old woman. And yes, most elderly people who use shopping trollies, use them partially as mobility aids.

I think she could have move she trolley just to help out. Depending on the trolley/bus they can be popped into the rack or if she was sat it could be put in the leg space bit next to her.

,an shouldn't have intimidated her though, I would have said something to him. I have done to people in the past, it tends to shut them up.

And where was she supposed to love the trolley to if she is not safe to stand up with it?

Man

I haven't seen a rack on a bus for decades. and most trollies are too big to fit in the floor space in the seats

I guess it depends on the bus? Some of ours have racks and an average trolley would fit in the leg room bit if nobody was sat next to you..

Depends on the trolley. Lots of elderly people have ditched the traditional 2 wheeler for the more stable and supportive 4 wheeler. One of those wouldn't fir in the leg space.

Yes I was thinking of the 4 wheeler. A 2 wheeler of course could be stored. I have never seen a fit older person with a 4 wheel trolley. It is always elderly people who need to sit down. Sometimes they are a bit of a pain in the bus in terms of space, but they are essential for many elderly people to get out and about.

When did a baby, who can be carried, trump an elderly person?

Sorry if it wakes baby up. Sorry if it's a pain in the arse. Sorry if baby cries. Sorry if you have to fold up your mini tank. I say that as a mother of a 5m old who has to brave one of the worst public transport systems in the country.

You can wait. You can walk to the next stop. You do not trump an elderley person who genuinely needs the space (or a wheelchair user as I've seen in the past). And if you think you do, you need a swift kick in the shin frankly.

Not a wheelchair so first come first served.

And no matter what the man involved was rude and I am shocked nobody stood up for the poor lady

I've had very similar situations like this. As I'm already standing with pram, I offer to hold on to the trolley too. It's never been declined. In fact, I had a seat with ds and jumped up, elderly man said no love, I've got the trolley, I'll stand. Well of course, he sat down and my son entertained him poor fella and much appreciated the rest.

It's not first come first serve where I live. It's a wheelchair space first, then a pram one. There are signs. If a pram is waiting to get on and someone is sitting in the space, the driver signals for them to move. Don't know what would happen if they didn't! There are other priority seats for people with disabilities who don't use wheelchairs.

Yes same where I live for someone sitting. This is about a trolley though that many elderly people use as a mobility aid.

Lady wasn't sitting with her shopping trolley though. I think the man should have offered to move it for her though not demand she did it.

Yes it was a 4 wheeled one. It was a london bus no space between the seats to fit it. I think there was a bit to put luggage but it would mean lifting it up which she probably couldn't but I can't be sure if it already had luggage/bags in as I didn't notice at the time. It wasn't a baby in the pram either. Child looked around 18 months.

I hope that when those posters who seem unable to share public transport unless their prams are seen as sacrosanct, become elderly - I hope they're not poor and infirm and reliant on public transport.

Because karma's a bitch.

The ageism of some parents Ishtar nasty.

Order of priority isn’t disabled then prams then elderly. It’s disabled, less able to stand (pregnant, elderly, balance problems, broken leg etc), and lastly prams and even then the space is just for the pram (and child) not the parent.

The old lady should have moved the trolley, just like someone would have been expected to have moved their suitcase if that had been in the way.