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To think the saying is "for all intent and purposes?"

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y0rkier0se · 14/01/2016 00:23

DP and I can't decide whether the phrase should be "for all intent and purposes" or "for all intensive purposes". Google hasn't helped so calling on the collective wisdom of Mumsnet. It's driving us mad trying to rationalise the phrase and work out which is more logical so we neeeeed help!

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OneMillionScovilles · 14/01/2016 00:24

For all intents & purposes.

TamaraLamara · 14/01/2016 00:24

It's "for all intents and purposes".

OneMillionScovilles · 14/01/2016 00:24

What even is an 'intensive purpose'?

whatdoIget · 14/01/2016 00:25

For all intents and purposes (whether intensive or not Wink)

ChutneyRhodrey · 14/01/2016 00:27

For all intents and purposes.

"For all intensive purposes" drives me nuts. I am one of those arseholes who will actually correct people on that one Grin

Scarletforya · 14/01/2016 00:28

Intents and purposes.

y0rkier0se · 14/01/2016 00:29

Good Grin it makes sense in my head but trying to explain it is another matter. So say I said 'that's a chicken' and DP said 'no, it's a cockerel', for all intents and purposes it's a chicken? DP thought it meant when using something extremely for it's purpose!

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BackInTheRealWorld · 14/01/2016 00:31

You are actually all wrong. It actually started out as 'for all in tents, and porpoises'.
It originated from a very popular seaside camping holiday song in the early 1900's.
It's fascinating how language develops over time isn't it.

whatdoIget · 14/01/2016 00:31

I'm surprised Google didn't help. I only had to type 'for all in' and it came up in the suggestions. Also my autocorrect on my phone came up with 'and' after I typed 'intents' and then suggested 'purposes'

TamaraLamara · 14/01/2016 00:31

Explanation of the basis of the idiom, OP:

The correct phrase is "for all intents and purposes." It originates from English law dating back to the 1500s, which used the phrase "to all intents, constructions, and purposes" to mean "officially" or "effectively."

y0rkier0se · 14/01/2016 00:34

Whatdolget it gave me different answers depending on what I typed in - 'intensive purposes' took me to a Wikipedia page explaining 'eggcorns' in language (?) which sounded like it was explaining what I was looking for, and 'intents and purposes' gave a suitable explanation too. I didn't think to see what autocorrect made of it though.

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whatdoIget · 14/01/2016 00:37

Rely on autocorrect like I do and you never have to think for yourself again (luckily for me Grin)

RonniePickering · 14/01/2016 00:38

I've just looked on Google and ' for all intensive purposes' is on the first page a few times, bizarrely.

QueenJuggler · 14/01/2016 00:39

Isn't it "to all intents and purposes", not "for all intents and purposes"?

It's derived from legal parlance.

emotionsecho · 14/01/2016 00:46

Back the song is a parody of the legal phrase 'to all intents and puposes' which has been in use for centuries.

Twgtwf · 14/01/2016 01:07

It's "to all in tents and porpoises". It means "aimed at nomadic people and fish".

EBearhug · 14/01/2016 01:12

But porpoises aren't fish...

rosewithoutthorns · 14/01/2016 01:25

It doesn't really mean anything though does it..

Its a wordy load of shite Grin

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 14/01/2016 01:49

Queen - that's what I thought too.
Either would work, depending on context, I suppose.

YouthHostellingWithChrisEubank · 14/01/2016 02:55

Loving the tents and porpoises explanation!

And Grin at "porpoises aren't fish!"

Twgtwf · 14/01/2016 09:55

Porpoises are, to all in tents and porpoises, fish.

LilaTheTiger · 14/01/2016 10:02

Is it not 'to all intents and purpose'?

LilaTheTiger · 14/01/2016 10:04

*purposes.

And I see TamaraLamara already said so Grin

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 14/01/2016 10:13

Do you know what an eggcorn is? To all intensive purposes is an example of one

gleam · 14/01/2016 10:19

I thought it was 'to all intents and purposes' too.

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