to have had an abortion and feel ZERO shame or regret

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In AIBU because it is a popular topic. I know I am not being unreasonable.

Thread is in response to a report I heard on the news yesterday which was shamefully presented, regarding abortion access.

There is a thread on MN currently about it www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1222273-Chipping-away-at-abortion-rights-govt-appoints-Life-as-sexual-health-adviser

Apparently there is a twitter thingummy going around 'I had an abortion' for people to discuss guilt free abortions.

Just thought it would be appropriate to have a thread on here for people put a positive side of abortion.

My story: got pregnant 5 years ago. My dd was 10. I was in a relationship of 6 months duration and had recently started a new job. Condom failure. My partner and I agreed that we didn't want a baby, I booked an abortion and had it without a backward glance. No emotional fall out afterwards. No guilt.

And where are 'victims' of abortion hidden, Queenmary? Oh yes, in women's bodies. Hence why women have the right to chose, and why it is obviously different to infanticide. I'm always amazed at the compassion pro-lifers give to the unborn. What a pity that compassion can't stretch to born, autonomous, sentient women who may be suffering and feel that abortion is the only option available to them.

I think that acknowledging that you cannot care for a child, that you cannot materially provide for a child, that you would be bringing it into a situation in which it may not be as loved and as cared for as every child should be, and thus you do not continue with that pregnancy, is showing respect for that foetus and the child it may become.

I have no problem with anyone holding pro-life views for themselves. But when they try to limit other women's access to abortion, then they advocate forced pregnancy and forced birth. That is unnacceptable - the fact that many UK abortions are sought by women who already have children indicates that they are well aware of the demands and dangers of pregnancy, and also the level of care that a child needs. Choosing not to continue if you know that you cannot meet those levels is the responsible course of action.

" If I lived in Guatemala this procedure would have been considered abortion and my tube would have been left to rupture and my life would have been in danger."

This is nonsense.
Of course you would have surgery for an ectopic pregnancy if you were in Guatemala.
Even the Catholic church does not regard that as an abortion.
This is emotionally driven claptrap.

And abortion is OK but not infanticide because if a foetus has a condition that is not compatible with life - taking it to full term and giving birth when they will have no quality of life and may be in a lot of pain just so what the lord giveth the lord can taketh away is not in the best interest of the infant. Another example would be that if a woman's mental health is so damaged by the pregnancy that she is suicidal then aborting the foetus can result in the loss of one life rather than 2.

This would be the Catholic church that, in Brazil, excommunicated the family who procured an abortion for their 9 year old daughter who had been raped?

A foetus is not an independent entity.

We don't force anyone to give bone marrow.
We don't force anyone to give organ donations.
We don't even force anyone to give blood.

The only time people want to compromise bodily autonomy is the special case of pregnancy.

I meant to put that to if I lived in Guatemala pre 1973 my tube would have been left to rupture - look it up.
So removal of an ectopic pregnancy to save the mothers life is OK then so what about late abortion when the mothers life is in danger is that OK?
And do you think that if you are told that your child will live a matter of hours and be in constant pain it is kinder to give birth than terminate the pregnancy?
I notice you, like so many pro-lifers, have swerved the question about child rape. As you have said that abortion is wrong in all circumstances I can only assume that you think that a child who has been raped, perhaps by a member of her own family, should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth regardless of the emotional and physical damage that will cause them. And you question the morality of people who terminate

"This would be the Catholic church that, in Brazil, excommunicated the family who procured an abortion for their 9 year old daughter who had been raped?"

Excuse me? I'm not making excuse for the catholic church. I used them as an example because they are famously anti abortion.
Abortion is not a religious issue.
Many atheists are anti abortion.
As far as I'm concerned it is a human rights issue. The unborn do not have a voice and depend on us for their lives. They are the most vulnerable and weak of all human beings.

Queenmary, do you think that false accusations of rape are such a terrible problem that the law needs to be changed? Because that's a common belief among anti-choicers as well (the most pathologically insane anti-choicer in the world, that american shitbag who wants pregnant women sentenced to death if they can;t prove that their miscarriages were not in some way cuased by their own behavioru, first hit the headlines when he proposed a bill that legal terminology shoudl change to ensure that the term 'rape victim' was changed to 'rape accuser'.)

"I meant to put that to if I lived in Guatemala pre 1973 my tube would have been left to rupture - look it up."
I did. I didn't find any support for this.
Please link to an article.
What do you think happens in other countries like Ireland when a woman has an ectopic?
Do you think she is left to die?
An ectopic is a surgical emergency and whatever the abortion laws it is dealt with as such.

Springchicken
false accusations of rape"
I have no idea what you are going on about.
Who are you talking about?
You've lost me.

Can't get much clearer than this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Guatemala

Keep dodging the questions about child rape and babies who's disabilities are so bad they will spend their whole short lives suffering it just shows you have no answer for them.

here it is queenmary

Here

QueenMary - I have a question for you.
If you had a 12 yr old daughter and she was raped, would you want her to carry on the pregnancy and give birth or would you want her to have an abortion.

I think I know your answer sadly, but I would just like to see how you or anyone else can justify it

lissielou
"here it is queenmary"
Er, yes.
Not quite sure why you are linking me to a wiki page about the catholic church when I wanted evidence that whaatsername would have died if she had an ectopic in pre 1973 Guatemala.
Nonetheless, I looked at the wiki page and it confirms what I said:

"An ectopic pregnancy is one of the only cases where the foreseeable death of an embryo is allowed, since it is categorized as an indirect abortion"

It seems that the Catholic church has now softened it's line and 'indirect abortion' is now allowed so long as it is for the purpose of saving the life of the mother and the death of the embryo is a side effect.
In the case of ectopic pregnancy the removal of the whole tube is now permitted (which is what I had so I may still be allowed in heaven ) but the use of drugs to flush the pregnancy from the system or the removal of the pregnancy from the tube is not allowed. Good to know that women have to go through invasive surgery when the termination could be managed with drugs for no fucking reason whatsoever!

Look at my link queenmary - pre 1973 abortion was not permissable under any circumstances even if the mothers life was in danger. The church has changed their mind since then surprise surprise. Not that religion has anything whatsoever to do with abortion

um no (and its good manners to refer to the poster by name rather than "whatsername" its lazy and rude) it states quite clearly that previously the church forbade all procedures to end pregnancies, and even now it would rather that the woman was butchered and she had an unnecessary operation than a nonviable pregnancy was ended. are you really a mw?

queen if you are so sure of your position why are you being so selective in the questions you are prepared to answer? (I fear this may be one that goes under the radar )

As to the other wiki link about Guatamala.. Abortion was illegal without exception prior to 1973.
I am telling you that salpingectomy for an ectopic pregnancy is not, and never has been, considered an abortion.
Whatever the country, an ectopic can be taken care of, and always has been ( facilities notwithstanding)

Just in case you've learned to read queen here it is again en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Guatemala

"Look at my link queenmary - pre 1973 abortion was not permissable under any circumstances even if the mothers life was in danger. The church has changed their mind since then surprise surprise."

It doesn't say that at your link.
Please direct quote.
As to your other questions, I've been tied up reading your various links and answering this one. I hadn't read all the other comments.
Out to Ikea now.
Back to put you all in your places later.