to have had an abortion and feel ZERO shame or regret

[GetOrfMoiCase]

In AIBU because it is a popular topic. I know I am not being unreasonable.

Thread is in response to a report I heard on the news yesterday which was shamefully presented, regarding abortion access.

There is a thread on MN currently about it www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1222273-Chipping-away-at-abortion-rights-govt-appoints-Life-as-sexual-health-adviser

Apparently there is a twitter thingummy going around 'I had an abortion' for people to discuss guilt free abortions.

Just thought it would be appropriate to have a thread on here for people put a positive side of abortion.

My story: got pregnant 5 years ago. My dd was 10. I was in a relationship of 6 months duration and had recently started a new job. Condom failure. My partner and I agreed that we didn't want a baby, I booked an abortion and had it without a backward glance. No emotional fall out afterwards. No guilt.

good god, wowwow, I'm so glad I escaped the Catholic church at

(ctd) 14.

To the astonishingly offensive post by MarianneM above- implying that anyone who had an abortion after getting pregnant due to being pissed or stoned (to the point of incapacitation and/or loss of judgement- are you seriously saying this has never happened to you? Then you are in the minority of women under 40 believe me) isteaching 'their daughters' to be so stupid. etc.

How utterly ridiculous. I described my own act as silly. I don't have daughters, but I would certainly use that event to describe silliness with consequences I would want them to avoid.

I ended up having an invasive procedure (not to mention being sick as a dog for 2 weeks and being told by one doctor I might not be 'entitled' to an NHS abortion, etc). I didn't exactly relish it. I was stupid to have unprotected sex in the situation I did. I learned the hard way.

It would have been far, far more stupid to take that to the limit and give birth to the baby who would have resulted from the silly mistake had I not taken sensible action.

the anti-stupidity stance touted by MarianneM is actually a desperate superiority over other 'more stupid' women (and girls, let's not forget those feckless 14 year olds...)- who should presumably be taught a lesson by being forced to bear their unwanted babies? Presumably for adoption by the families of other respectable, more sensible women.

That attitude stinks to high Catholic heaven.

queenmary, you cant "put people in their place" without answering questions indiscriminately. sorry love.

Salpingectomy IS considered to be abortion but is now permissable as they call it 'indirect abortion'. It is the artificial ending of a life (albeit one that will soon end anyway) to save the life of the mother. Nothing indirect about it imo. They have allowed it, presumably, because people get pissed off if they have to die to observe their religion.

And when you get back from Ikea queenwhatserface if you could 'put me in my place' by answering this one question that would be great. How is it morally better to go through with a pregnancy to term if the baby will have no quality of life and will spend the whole of their short life suffering and in pain?

and, when I was in hospital dying from my ruptured ep on the forms I signed the salpingectomy was referred to as a termination. I had to give permission for the disposal of remains.

i ask again, are you really a mw? you seen shockingly ill-informed.

Moral absolutes are a symptom of underdeveloped reasoning capabilities in my experience.
She can't answer the questions because acknowledging that there are grey areas would bring her blinkered little world view crashing down.

Queenmary - Do you think it's wrong that a 9 year old rape victim had a termination? Should she have been forced to continue that pregnancy?

Thats horrible

The thread killers will be along shortly......

Thank you Getorf for posting this.

I had an abortion aged 19. Used a condom, part of it came off inside me. Went and got MAP, it failed. Made decision to have an abortion, wasn't a hard decision in terms of 'did i want a baby?' - NO, but was hard in terms of guilt and shame afterwards. I look back 16 years later and feel very sad for the young girl I was having to cope with it (and with the 'miscarriage' I had 4 weeks later as the abortion had failed and I had to be rushed in to hospital to have it done again)

This thread has made me think. If I ever do tell people in real life I always make sure they know it was contraceptive failure, not me being 'stupid' This thread is making me think about why I feel the need to explain and more importantly about the concept of punishment for those who have just made a mistake. Very interesting, thank you for being brave and posting.

saf - as ever, outstanding posts, thank you.

its that mouse forcing me to send her energy crap in gardens of time she's a bloodsucker.

I'm sorry but I've only really read up to page 10 so far and am another woman who has had an abortion and agree whole-heartedly with Getorf.

My body and my decision. Not an easy decision but one I made and have not felt regret for it. I have been sad and unhappy at times what with subsequent miscarriages and also a very ill child, but I made the right choice for me at that time.

I am extremely privileged to have the options open to me and am fully in support for women continuing to have the choice open to them.

That's one hell of a trip to Ikea!

"Just in case you've learned to read queen here it is again en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Guatemala"

I read it the first time wowowowo!
It doesn't say what you are trying to make it say.
Salpingectomy for an ectopic is not a TOP! Never has been.

"It seems that the Catholic church has now softened it's line"

Nope. I read the wiki catholic link too. It has never said anything different. No line softening apparently.

"but the use of drugs to flush the pregnancy from the system or the removal of the pregnancy from the tube is not allowed. Good to know that women have to go through invasive surgery when the termination could be managed with drugs for no fucking reason whatsoever!"

Who said it's for no reason whatsoever? The RC church? I doubt it. I'm guessing you made that up too.
Do you know what methotrexate does to the living fetus?
It's like drain cleaner. It dissolves anything in it's path. I wouldn't pour it on a ladybird let alone a fetus.

"That's one hell of a trip to Ikea!"

Not really. Just a normal trip to Ikea, and I filled the car up ad picked up some milk.
Patience please wooooowoooo.
And yes, I am getting to the 9 yearold rape scenario that will be a slightly longer answer, I'm clearing up the straightforward stuff first.

You know what response youre going to get to that dont you?

Still havent answered their questions.

"Salpingectomy IS considered to be abortion but is now permissable"

It's not NOW permissible, it was always permissible. I've just been reading about it, Google the law of double effect.

QueenMary, what do you think about what happened to Angela Carder?