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Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

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RoseWylie · 11/11/2026 19:17

Me-

Covid came from a Chinese lab.
Epstein's death was engineered by a third party, whether by murder or by compromising the suicide watch.
Lucy Letby's conviction isn't sound and was affected by institutional motivation to find a cause for babies dying other than negligence and squalor across the department. (FAOD I have no idea whether she is innocent or guilty.)

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MagdaLenor · 12/11/2026 18:58

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/11/2026 18:57

My view is if the US had faked the original moonlanding, the USSR would have made a song and dance about it for decades.

The reason they didn't is because it was real and they knew it.🤷‍♀️

Oh course they would! They wouldn't have ignored that.

Periperi2025 · 12/11/2026 19:01

nevernotmaybe · 12/11/2026 14:12

Considering a hypothesis in an experiment, based on your personal knowledge and understanding, is science.

Being a random member of the public with no understanding or knowledge, deciding that it did come from wherever is a conspiracy theory.

That we aren't responsible for global warming is a hypothesis. It is even genuinely still held by a minority of scientists, just like a minority still say lab made is possible Covid. But as of right now both those are still conspiracy theories to hold as what is really happening by the public, with no evidence at all and more likely and supported explanations - to am even greater extreme with global warming, but true for both.

Something that is a conspiracy can turn out to be true, and it doesn't change if it was a conspiracy to believe it as fact in the past.

Zoonotic hypotheses for Covid19 is still only a theory it might be considered the most plausible theory but it is not 'fact', so is this a conspiracy too.

Different theories and hypotheses are not conspiracy, conspiracy is trying to create a narrative/ motive around why a lab leak might have happened and been covered up rather than the idea that something that has happened multiple times around the world could have happened in china in relation to Covid 19.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 12/11/2026 19:08

Its not so much a conspiracy theory as a deep mistrust... but the tech industry in a general way. I realise it's a massive and varied industry but collectively I am cynical about anything any tech related authority tells me. Remember the Y2K panic? Then we were told everything absolutely had to be digitalised, now everything is vulnerable to attack (by others in the same industry) and to prevent such attacks we have to spend a massive amount of money to stop these attacks. But no, every time this is done the attacks change their methods so we have to invest in security upgrades again. You know what can't be hacked? The confidential papers in the metal filing cabinet. Also smart devices that are designed to fail after a few years so we keep buying more.

I don't believe in covid conspiracies but if I did it would relate to this industry as it was the final move to complete dependency.

moderate · 12/11/2026 19:12

Dontlletmedownbruce · 12/11/2026 19:08

Its not so much a conspiracy theory as a deep mistrust... but the tech industry in a general way. I realise it's a massive and varied industry but collectively I am cynical about anything any tech related authority tells me. Remember the Y2K panic? Then we were told everything absolutely had to be digitalised, now everything is vulnerable to attack (by others in the same industry) and to prevent such attacks we have to spend a massive amount of money to stop these attacks. But no, every time this is done the attacks change their methods so we have to invest in security upgrades again. You know what can't be hacked? The confidential papers in the metal filing cabinet. Also smart devices that are designed to fail after a few years so we keep buying more.

I don't believe in covid conspiracies but if I did it would relate to this industry as it was the final move to complete dependency.

Remember the Y2K panic? Then we were told everything absolutely had to be digitalised

What are you talking about? Y2K was about all the things that were already digitised having been done so in a short-sighted way, which needed to be fixed. The fixes were such a success story that hardly anything went wrong in the way that it certainly would have done if those fixes hadn't been applied.

nevernotmaybe · 12/11/2026 19:28

Periperi2025 · 12/11/2026 19:01

Zoonotic hypotheses for Covid19 is still only a theory it might be considered the most plausible theory but it is not 'fact', so is this a conspiracy too.

Different theories and hypotheses are not conspiracy, conspiracy is trying to create a narrative/ motive around why a lab leak might have happened and been covered up rather than the idea that something that has happened multiple times around the world could have happened in china in relation to Covid 19.

No, and you are straying into the arguments flat earthers use so not really worth continuing if you can't tell the difference.

LizzieW1969 · 12/11/2026 19:37

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/11/2026 18:57

My view is if the US had faked the original moonlanding, the USSR would have made a song and dance about it for decades.

The reason they didn't is because it was real and they knew it.🤷‍♀️

Now, this is very true. 😄

TheFriendlyPotato · 12/11/2026 19:39

I think there is something questionable about Dr David Kelly’s alleged suicide. I also strongly suspect that Blair and his government knew that the case for WMDs in Iraq was far weaker than they were letting on before committing to war.

Other than that, I'm not generally a believer in big conspiracy theories. However, I always ask myself four questions when faced with one:

1. What would be the purpose of the conspiracy?

For example, why would governments want us to believe the world is round if it were actually flat? Or why would Diana need to be killed? There doesn't appear to be any logical or compelling reason.

Blair and Iraq: Blair had a clear political motive for supporting Bush's invasion. Maintaining Britain's special relationship with America, preserving British influence in the Middle East and supporting an intervention the US administration was determined to pursue were all powerful incentives. WMDs provided the public justification.

2. How many people would need to be involved in the cover-up?

The more people involved, the less believable I find it. Heck, governments struggle to keep even a basic briefing out of the media in 2026!

Blair and Iraq: This wouldn't have required hundreds of people conspiring together. A relatively small circle of senior politicians and intelligence officials could have shaped the presentation of intelligence. The vast majority of MPs, journalists and the public would simply have been relying on information presented to them as credible, much of it classified.

3. How complicated would it be to carry out?

Take the theory that 9/11 was an inside job. The level of planning and coordination required would be staggering. You would also need to find people willing to carry out the various tasks involved without ever exposing the truth.

Blair and Iraq: There was no need to manufacture physical evidence, orchestrate an elaborate operation or recruit thousands of people. If intelligence was exaggerated, selectively presented or interpreted to support a predetermined conclusion, the government could simply present that assessment to Parliament and the public as justification for war. Relatively straightforward by comparison.

And this is where things get particularly interesting. Blair had committed himself to supporting Bush well before the September 2002 WMD dossier was published. The question is whether the intelligence drove the decision to go to war, or whether the intelligence was used to justify a decision that had effectively already been made.

The Downing Street Memo of July 2002 is particularly revealing. It recorded that American policy was already geared towards military action and that intelligence and facts were being fixed around that policy.

4. Was there a better or easier way of achieving the same objective?

Take the suggestion that COVID was deliberately used as a means of controlling the population. Why would anyone go to the trouble of supposedly destroying the economy, disrupting everyone's lives and then reopening everything a few years later as though nothing had happened? It doesn't really add up.

Blair and Iraq: Perhaps there were other ways of achieving Britain's foreign policy objectives, but supporting an American-led invasion, with WMDs presented as the immediate threat, was politically convenient. The atmosphere following 9/11 made that argument particularly persuasive.

Ultimately, I don't think you have to prove that Blair personally knew with absolute certainty that there were no WMDs. The more important question is whether he had sufficient reason to doubt the intelligence, yet presented the case for war with a level of certainty that simply wasn't justified.

The Chilcot Inquiry subsequently found that peaceful options had not been exhausted and that the intelligence assessments had been presented with more certainty than was justified. The Iraq Survey Group also found no stockpiles of the chemical and biological weapons that had been used to justify the invasion.

So, those are my four questions.

I'm not saying every conspiracy theory is impossible. Far from it. But I do think you have to look at motive, opportunity, the number of people involved, the complexity of the operation and, most importantly, the available evidence.

And sometimes the most plausible explanation isn't an elaborate conspiracy at all. It's a relatively small group of powerful people making decisions, manipulating information and then allowing everyone else to believe the story they've been told.

Periperi2025 · 12/11/2026 19:44

notimagain · 12/11/2026 07:54

TBF that's more of an ex/blown conspiracy theory these days.

For context that Guardian piece you linked to was written a handful of years after the accident, these days, thanks to the efforts of one of the pilot's fathers, an engineer/author by the name of Dave Hill who wrote three books on the accident and a lot of other folks such as Bob Burke the picture is a lot clearer.

I think the only person who is still convinced the pilots were solely to blame is one of the ex-very very senior officers who led the investigation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9v1xz1zj4o

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781526204462/Greatest-Disgrace-campaign-clear-Chinook-1526204460/plp

And in the last few days:

https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/26684585.former-raf-test-pilot-chinook-campaigner-dies-aged-86/

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I wasn't thinking of the blaming the pilots as the conspiracy as like you have said it was debunked years ago, and the reality of those close to it knew from the day of the crash about the software issues and were never in any doubt, by Dad certainly knew that first day.

Where the big 'conspiracy' remains is why would anyone put 25 of the most important men from Military intelligence, Security services and ulster constabularly on one helicopter. It's a special level of stupidity or a delibrate attempt to get rid of a group of senior staff whose entire career and identity was based around the continuing violence in NI. But they presumably all got onboard willingly.

UnaGatita · 12/11/2026 19:46

Oh. I thought the Covid leak was as near to fact as we could ascertain 😂
Luckily i know we live on a roughly spherical planet

SirChenjins · 12/11/2026 19:51

I think Marilyn Monroe was murdered

TheFriendlyPotato · 12/11/2026 19:53

Thindog · 12/11/2026 12:40

There was no abduction of Madeleine.
Harry is a love child of Hewitt.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
The pope that was emeritus was hidden away because of some big hidden scandal.

@Thindog For what reason would they say Maddie McCann was abducted if she wasnt? That's many millions spent on one little girl over many years. For what purpose? Makes no sense to me.

notimagain · 12/11/2026 19:56

Periperi2025 · 12/11/2026 19:44

I wasn't thinking of the blaming the pilots as the conspiracy as like you have said it was debunked years ago, and the reality of those close to it knew from the day of the crash about the software issues and were never in any doubt, by Dad certainly knew that first day.

Where the big 'conspiracy' remains is why would anyone put 25 of the most important men from Military intelligence, Security services and ulster constabularly on one helicopter. It's a special level of stupidity or a delibrate attempt to get rid of a group of senior staff whose entire career and identity was based around the continuing violence in NI. But they presumably all got onboard willingly.

Your concerns make sense but never underestimate the establishment's ability to do stupid....

Blueseaurchin · 12/11/2026 19:59

I think Covid and the Chinese lab suggestion is not that far fetched.

Neither is the concept that Epstein had so much dirt on very wealthy and famous people that he could not be allowed to testify.

I also always thought that Dr David Kelly's suicide was also suspicious.

But I don't think these are really crazy 'conspiracy theories' rather than very real possibilities of foul play.

TheFriendlyPotato · 12/11/2026 20:03

SirChenjins · 12/11/2026 19:51

I think Marilyn Monroe was murdered

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For what reason? If it was the info and relationship with the Kennedys... why murder when they could have..

Paid her off. She was a wealthy, famous actress. A substantial financial settlement could have secured her silence.

Used political influence. The Kennedys had enormous influence and access to powerful people. Not only could they have keot much of it out of the media, but they could potentially have persuaded her not to speak publicly. Threatening blacklisting from acting, modelling etc roles would have leveraged her into silence.

Discredited her. If she made embarrassing allegations, they could have portrayed her as unreliable or emotionally unstable which in those years they would have done without a single thought.

Simply denied everything. An allegation about an affair, without corroborating evidence, wouldn't necessarily have caused a political catastrophe.

ExquisiteSocialSkills · 12/11/2026 20:03

AgMaggy · 11/11/2026 20:02

Megalodon still exists.

Ooh I hope so!

JeffLebowski · 12/11/2026 20:20

notimagain · 12/11/2026 19:56

Your concerns make sense but never underestimate the establishment's ability to do stupid....

Particularly when it comes to penny-pinching in the military. Why put all those senior people in one helicopter? Because it's cheaper than spreading them across two.

For another example there's the on-board fire that downed a Nimrod in Afghanistan in 2006 and nearly caused a similar crash a year later. The aircraft was old, tatty, and subject to decades of slipshod maintenance, bodged modifications and leadership that was focused on saving money rather than making sure it was fit for purpose.

notimagain · 12/11/2026 20:34

JeffLebowski · 12/11/2026 20:20

Particularly when it comes to penny-pinching in the military. Why put all those senior people in one helicopter? Because it's cheaper than spreading them across two.

For another example there's the on-board fire that downed a Nimrod in Afghanistan in 2006 and nearly caused a similar crash a year later. The aircraft was old, tatty, and subject to decades of slipshod maintenance, bodged modifications and leadership that was focused on saving money rather than making sure it was fit for purpose.

Yep,.agree with the above.

Thinking back to pre the Mull accident I can think of a couple of instances I was involved in where significant numbers of personnel of fairly specialist units (not int) were flown from A to B in a single airframe..if those aircraft had crashed it would have meant quite a problems for the defence.of the realm.

I think the Mull accident was a case of the same being done but for once with tragic consequences.

distinctpossibility · 12/11/2026 20:42

Some are so obvious that we have been sold a mistruths. One I don't think I've seen mentioned:

I think the Great Fire of London was deliberately encouraged (if not started) to get rid of Plague

MagdaLenor · 12/11/2026 20:43

distinctpossibility · 12/11/2026 20:42

Some are so obvious that we have been sold a mistruths. One I don't think I've seen mentioned:

I think the Great Fire of London was deliberately encouraged (if not started) to get rid of Plague

Then why wasn't there various "Fires of London" every time there were plague outbreaks?

HRTQueen · 12/11/2026 20:48

I don’t believe Epstein died by suicide

It was too convenient to have Jack Ruby kill Lee Harvey Oswald

I don’t believe Dr David Kelly died by suicide

Fuckmyliferightnow · 12/11/2026 20:52

Hasn’t Covid been shown to be Zoonotic? Not from a lab.

DeeDeeSharpWhatKindOfLadyNSoul · 12/11/2026 20:56

Michelle Obama is a man
..because an Aberdeen taxi driver told me
as he'd read it on the internet.

I replied ooo it must be true if it was on the internet.
Irony was lost on the silly cunt

Fuckmyliferightnow · 12/11/2026 20:56

I listen to a fab podcast called Some Dare Call it Conspiracy. It debunks a lot of stuff such as Paul McCartney being dead, the moon landings being faked, Pizza gate and loads of other stuff.

MagdaLenor · 12/11/2026 21:00

DeeDeeSharpWhatKindOfLadyNSoul · 12/11/2026 20:56

Michelle Obama is a man
..because an Aberdeen taxi driver told me
as he'd read it on the internet.

I replied ooo it must be true if it was on the internet.
Irony was lost on the silly cunt

😂😂😂

nevernotmaybe · 12/11/2026 21:02

distinctpossibility · 12/11/2026 20:42

Some are so obvious that we have been sold a mistruths. One I don't think I've seen mentioned:

I think the Great Fire of London was deliberately encouraged (if not started) to get rid of Plague

It is actually a complete myth that it had an impact at all, for a few reasons.

First the plague had already peaked, and was rapidly dropping and ending. Second, the entire section of London that burned was the parts not heavily impacted and not where the spread would be driven from. And third, following on, it had almost no impact on deaths as they were happening in the aftermath. They continued, but continued to drop as they were already doing.

And even in the hypothetical situation where all that hadn't been the case, if the rest of the country was still in the peak of the infection it would just trickle back in. It didn't burn the entire country.

It is pure coincidence, there happened to be a fire in an area that wouldn't have helped stop the plage, just as the country and society had finally turned the tide. A combination of immunity starting to take hold, the coordinated quarantines and movement restrictions doing their job, and even some changes in rat populations all came together to end the plage. The fire of London is entirely irrelevant.