Do I actually need a birth certificate

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I am a naturalised British citizen. I was born abroad, in a country where I do not have citizenship (my non-British parents were travelling). I have a British passport, but I have never had or seen a copy of my birth certificate. Do I need one?

Do you have some form of certificate from your Naturlisation?

I would personally obtain a copy while it’s not a time sensitive issue as there may be a time where you need to prove who your parents are/were. Depending on when (and in what country) you got married, both your parents may not be listed on your marriage certificate.
You also have no idea how things may change in the future in terms of fraud prevention and registration.

She couldn't provide a hard copy of anything else as all other documents were digital and they wouldn't accept digital proof.

That’s also not true. You order a certified copy of the birth entry. The “original” entry signed by one or both of your parents always stays at the register office so that it can be referred to. This has been the case since 1837.

Not true. The 'original' is the record in the actual register itself. The one provided at the time of registration of birth, marriage or death in the UK is a 'certified copy' and it says so on the document. Any subsequent ones provided by a register office are equally valid.

As you were registered as a British citizen when you were younger that probably was proof of your nationality. So your birth certificate is probably not needed in most cases. This is probably how you got your first passport and then just made renewals.

Your passport was probably your main ID from then.

Would probably be useful to get a birth certificate but not essential. Something obscure might happen in a few years. It's easier to do it when you have time now rather than waiting.

I don’t remember needing our birth certificates to register DC or get their passports.

I got married in the UK. All our dc have UK passports.

I have no Naturalisation certificate, either. I believe we (my parents' children) were not involved in the naturalisation process as we were minors at the time. It was just my parents. Somehow we were included. We all have British passports ever since then. Never any issue with renewing.

I've changed my name twice, once before marriage and once after. Again, no need for my BC.

Should some racist government get into power, I don't see how proving that I was born abroad would help me!

Hence “original” - just didn’t use the right term, but it’s the same thing. You can order another copy of what is required.

DP was born in Belgium. His parents lived there at the time. He has a Belgian birth certificate and a British one too

I don't have mine. Might be in the depths of my parents basement or something but I have a vague memory of it being ripped up by our cat when I was a teen.

Anyway I've never needed it. Have passport, DBs checks, marriage cert, etc. you would only need it for DBs if you didn't have enough alternative proof of ID

How the hell did you get a British passport without showing a copy of your birth certificate?

Seriously?

I needed DH's to register his death!

My dd2 was born in a country where we never had citizenship. Her birth was registered with the British Embassy there. Surely yours would have been registered with the embassy or the Consulate? Without a birth certificate how would your parents have been able to obtain a passport for you?

Never needed this, that's interesting. I registered my husband's death 14 years ago and in the last 4 years my mum and both in laws. Never needed birth certificate. If you have their dates of birth they can look their certificates up on the national registers.

That works if the registration area hasn't changed its name in the interim to something completely different and unrelated to the area written on the birth certificate. DH's birth area had and the registrar needed to see the BC to track him down!

I’m really sorry for anyone that was told that they needed a birth certificate to register a death. You don’t. By law, the information is taken verbally.

Sometimes people don’t know where a loved one was born (if the death happened and was born in England or Wales, the town/city and county are recorded, of overseas, the country), but that is highly unlikely to be the case for a spouse to not know, and in any case it is in the passport.

You should never be told a birth certificate is essential to register a death. It’s a nice to have if you have it to hand, to double check the birth name and place of birth, especially if it’s a distant relative, but it is absolutely not a legal requirement and I am so sorry to anyone who was told otherwise.

I must have had one at some point!

I'm pretty sure I was registered in the country of my birth. Presumably my parents would also have registered my birth at their home country's embassy in the country of my birth, in order to have me added to my mum's passport. (That's how long ago this is, children did not need their own passports, they were just added to their mum's passport.) Presumably they must have validated my identity in some way when they were naturalised. I think I had my own British passport for the first time when I was 14. I might not have needed a birth certificate then as I would have been on my mum's British passport until then. I did not need a BC to change to an adult passport, and have never needed a BC to extend my passport.

Could I possibly not have been registered in the country of my birth? Now I'm definitely going to apply for a copy of my birth certificate - just to find out!

Pretty sure some countries don't issue birth certificates or may not have done at the time of OP's birth. May be worth asking the embassy or consulate of your birth country and birth nationality.

But so can anyone else - that's why anything other than the 'original original' (they're actually all copies of the register entry) dated when the birth was oroginally registered is not much use to show that you're the person named on the certificate

My mum was a naturalised British citizen with a passport and she didn't have a birth certificate either. I think the closest thing she had was a certificate of baptism.

Can you explain why ?

If I know someone's details (name, approximate date and place of birth) are you saying that I am not allowed to go onto the General Register Office site and order a copy of their birth certificate ? If you can (and I believe you can - in fact I've done it) then being in possession of such a document isn't really a robust means of identifying an individual.

For many years I had neither a driving licence of passport and so had to find alternative methods of proving my identity to institutions such as banks, government organisations etc, It was common for birth certificates to only be cited as an acceptable form of identification if they had been issued within a year of the birth.

I think you've managed this long without OP so I wouldn't worry.

I used passport, driving licence and NI number for a DBS check. I may have used my birth certificate when I got married but I can't remember now.

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My dad was a naturalised British citizen, had a passport and did not need a birth certificate from his original country. Mind you, that was more than 50 years ago.

There would have been other documentation from his time as a Displaced Person in a foreign army under British direction.