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Do you think the economy will get better or worse?

39 replies

givethemquavers · Yesterday 12:46

For future generations? Or even in the coming decades?

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Alternativelyviewed · Yesterday 15:47

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:55

At least we have control over some of the supply if we use the resources in the North Sea, whether it would be cheaper is debateable that just depends on how high prices go.

I can certainly see food shortages and accordingly price rises on even basic things like potatoes, fruit and veg is too cheap to be sustainable for farmers anyway.

I think the EU will have equal or greater problems trying to balance the different needs of all the countries involved.

We need rid of Trump, but he has done something important in making us realise we are too dependent on the US, but have we found this out too late?

Getting out of the UK sounds easy but where do you go that you think is not going to be affected by all the woes? And if they are somehow avoiding all the problems would they want you or would they be busy looking after their own people?

Too dependant on Russian gas !! Has everyone forgotten we are all buying from Putin again !

chirrupybird · Yesterday 16:42

anniegun · Yesterday 15:47

We have a problem with an ageing population on top of climate change and the unpredictability of a collapsing US. Not a great outlook

As has Japan and all of Western Europe. Immigration is the answer to that.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 16:54

Alternativelyviewed · Yesterday 15:44

@IthinkIamAnAlien Ditto bu the other way
It's been explained that we will be a little bit more stable whilst we keep transitioning to renewables ?
At the moment we have to "import " a lot which is not eco friendly

Trouble is that it was political decisions made that have forced us to be reliant on imports. We have coal, we have oil, we have nuclear, we have gas, we have wood, we have solar, we are surrounded by water so could have tidal. We really never needed to be so reliant on imported fuel.

PancakeCloud · Yesterday 17:00

Well this is depressing

chemmie · Yesterday 17:04

chirrupybird · Yesterday 16:42

As has Japan and all of Western Europe. Immigration is the answer to that.

Immigration is super popular!
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upinaballoon · Yesterday 17:06

ForeverNowWithin · Yesterday 14:31

You are being deliberately disingenuous. The successful entrepreneurs and other professionally qualified people on salaries that are way above average haven't, no.

But many of the people who are destined to be in relatively low skill, low wage jobs for all of their working life have. Because even in full time work they were not getting great pensions, great job security, great job satisfaction or saving enough for a house deposit.

They've looked at the maths and realised they don't want to bust a gut doing minimum wage jobs that are often dirty, boring or physically tiring any more. Why would they when there is an alternative that pays better? All they need to do is learn the right things to do and say and the right hoops to jump through and they can have it. And once they've become accustomed to having most of the week free to do as they please, it's hardly surprising they are reluctant to lose that, unless there is a lot more money in it for them. And therein lies the problem. There usually isn't.

Laws come in and are changed as time goes by. I think it was when Gordon Brown was Chancellor that he introduced tax credits to help people who were in work but work which didn't pay well. I can't remember the names of the different benefits but I think they've now concentrated into Universal Credit. Maybe his system hasn't worked out so well. So examine the laws and change them.

Is it possible to make laws about variation of employment in places where people work 12 hours doing the same boring job all the time? Maybe not.

When I was signing on in the 1970s I got stopped a whole day's UB if I had just had a few hours work that day. Decades later a young man worked for two nights in a factory, organised by a ganger. His JSA was to be reduced by all except £5 and he was to start a new claim. He said it wasn't worth bothering to work. I sure as hell don't want to learn the rules of UC but I hope they treat the triers better.

upinaballoon · Yesterday 17:18

How bad is an economy when umpteen citizens spend money on £4 coffees, meal deals and having someone else give them facials and paint their talons different colours, all on one hand? The economy is tip-top for a lot of people.

What happened to growing your own vegetables, keeping your own pig at the bottom of the garden, spreading muck on the fields, bathing once a week, making your own sandwiches to take to work, making coffee in a flask, darning a sock? Too posh and lazy for that, mate. Only good at using the world's resources at an alarming rate and scrolling and whining.

The world doesn't owe anyone a living.

Smudgist · Yesterday 17:26

Significantly worse in both the short and long term.

the80sweregreat · Yesterday 17:40

Upinaballoon
I understand what your saying, but the UK government want people buying coffees and having treatments as it keeps the economy going. Lots of people make do and mend , but for many it’s a way of life buying new and having treats like a sandwich for lunch or whatever it may be. I doubt that they want people living frugally as so many people’s livelihoods depend on others buying and spending. If people lived now as they did the 50s lots of jobs would be lost. I am not disagreeing with you , but the service industry took over from so many other industries and it is now needed to keep the money rolling in to pay for everything else and the genie is out the bottle now.

Alternativelyviewed · Yesterday 17:49

I've just heard a desperate dad on LBC talking about his son 19 desperste for an electrical apprentiship !! He said no one responds and he's even stood outside an electrical wholesaler asking for work .
He said when he's asked he has been told it's to expensive to employ him ,ni / min wage rises and all the rest.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · Yesterday 17:53

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 13:17

Oh this tall tale again. Assume you've given up your job @angelos02 ? It's the only rational thing to do Hmm .

Across the nation, all the NHS consultants, dentists, senior accountants, HR Directors etc have all just given up work. They're happy to live in insecure housing with no savings and no pension, with a very low income, because they're just so much better off on benefits.

Worse,
and no if somebody has worked, they’ll never be entitled to the same level of benefits that someone who’s never worked gets I thought?

BlueDillieDillie · Yesterday 18:02

The UK population will get larger and poorer. The trend started in the 1950s. We were better off at times in the 60s until the Trade Unions took over and sabotaged the car industry. Red Robbo? any one remember him? Wrecked BL.
Coal industry, Arthur Scargill, what a disaster he was. Margaret Thatcher managed some improvements.
Then "The Blob" left wing Civil Service, again stopped everything that might have improved.
Now we have Poverty again.

Today I read that a criminal cannot be expelled from UK because his daughter wets the bed. A judge accepted that.

JenniferBooth · Yesterday 18:06

upinaballoon · Yesterday 17:18

How bad is an economy when umpteen citizens spend money on £4 coffees, meal deals and having someone else give them facials and paint their talons different colours, all on one hand? The economy is tip-top for a lot of people.

What happened to growing your own vegetables, keeping your own pig at the bottom of the garden, spreading muck on the fields, bathing once a week, making your own sandwiches to take to work, making coffee in a flask, darning a sock? Too posh and lazy for that, mate. Only good at using the world's resources at an alarming rate and scrolling and whining.

The world doesn't owe anyone a living.

And ppl dont owe the world a child
It works both ways

JenniferBooth · Yesterday 18:12

upinaballoon · Yesterday 17:18

How bad is an economy when umpteen citizens spend money on £4 coffees, meal deals and having someone else give them facials and paint their talons different colours, all on one hand? The economy is tip-top for a lot of people.

What happened to growing your own vegetables, keeping your own pig at the bottom of the garden, spreading muck on the fields, bathing once a week, making your own sandwiches to take to work, making coffee in a flask, darning a sock? Too posh and lazy for that, mate. Only good at using the world's resources at an alarming rate and scrolling and whining.

The world doesn't owe anyone a living.

I think the housing association would frown on me hiring a digger to dig up the car park and making it into a giant vegetable patch If this type of thing is required then they shouldnt have made us live in flats and tower blocks
And as a small one bedroom flat with no garden is all im entitled to cos i didnt have kids...............THEMS THE BREAKS

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