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What should happen about the hunger strikers?

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noblegiraffe · 13/12/2025 13:10

There are a group of people currently on remand in prison awaiting trial for criminal activities taken in support of the (currently) proscribed terrorist group Palestine Action. Some of them have gone on hunger strike and are suffering health impacts and some have been hospitalised.

Their demands appear to be:
to be released on bail
for Palestine Action to be de-proscribed as a terrorist group
for the UK to stop selling arms to Israel

I'm seeing various MPs writing earnest letters to David Lammy as Justice Secretary, saying that he must meet with them urgently to discuss their demands.

And then what?

It should go without saying that I really don't want people to die, and I'm sure that their families must be frantic, but what is actually expected to happen here? The proscription of Palestine Action is being appealed in the courts and I don't think people threatening to kill themselves should impact the democratic process.

Being released on bail? While I agree that it is shocking that they have been held in prison for 2 years while awaiting trial, because the justice system should work faster than that, they are active members of a currently proscribed terrorist organisation. At least one of the hunger strikers took part in the attack on Elbit where a female police officer had her back broken by one of the activists who attacked her with a sledgehammer while she lay on the ground. There's plenty of video footage of this, and I don't think the hunger strikers have condemned it. If they did get bail by threatening to kill themselves, surely everyone would then give it a go?

So what should happen?

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JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 21:40

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 21:39

In the way nobody said anything about ‘the Irish’ let alone anything racist. It’s the most bizarre mumsnet reprimand I’ve seen, typical south of the ocean thinking.

I think you need to read the thread again

Rhodie72 · 13/12/2025 21:40

Who cares?

PaisleyDress · 13/12/2025 21:41

Fluffyholeysocks · 13/12/2025 21:35

Only one person attacked the policewoman? I'm sure she will find great comfort in that. Presumably the other's tried to stop it?

I haven’t watched the CCTV. I would hope so … although would you intervene if someone is running amok with a sledgehammer? I’ve never been involved in any protests that have involved violence. Pity for the poor Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught up in this.

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 21:41

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 21:40

I think you need to read the thread again

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noblegiraffe · 13/12/2025 21:43

ThisLittlePony · 13/12/2025 21:36

I’d always thought you were in education @noblegiraffe ! Didn’t realise you were sneaky peeeky!

All those threads about Ofsted and education policy provided the perfect cover....!

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Fluffyholeysocks · 13/12/2025 21:43

As with all the other 17,000 people on remand, I'm sure it'll all come out in their trial.

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 21:44

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 21:41

?

What does south of the ocean thinking mean?

Fluffyholeysocks · 13/12/2025 21:45

PaisleyDress · 13/12/2025 21:41

I haven’t watched the CCTV. I would hope so … although would you intervene if someone is running amok with a sledgehammer? I’ve never been involved in any protests that have involved violence. Pity for the poor Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught up in this.

And the policewoman obviously.

PodMom · 13/12/2025 21:58

PaisleyDress · 13/12/2025 21:41

I haven’t watched the CCTV. I would hope so … although would you intervene if someone is running amok with a sledgehammer? I’ve never been involved in any protests that have involved violence. Pity for the poor Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught up in this.

I’ve seen the CCTV footage, I don’t recall anyone in the group trying to stop anyone else. Others were happy to be attacking the security guard. they were happy to be in a vehicle which rammed through a closed garage door into a building where they had no idea if anyone was behind the door and could have killed somebody.

noblegiraffe · 13/12/2025 22:00

PaisleyDress · 13/12/2025 21:41

I haven’t watched the CCTV. I would hope so … although would you intervene if someone is running amok with a sledgehammer? I’ve never been involved in any protests that have involved violence. Pity for the poor Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught up in this.

Maybe you should watch the video footage? It's fucking horrendous. They all had sledgehammers.

Sledgehammer attack here:
https://www.channel4.com/news/police-release-footage-of-palestine-action-activists-in-alleged-attack-on-bristol-factory

Chasing and abusing a security guard here
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/palestine-action-activist-struck-officer-10666164

(it's not clear from this footage but the security guard was also injured in the attack)

Watch footage of alleged sledgehammer attack at Bristol's Elbit Systems

Six activists are currently in court

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/palestine-action-activist-struck-officer-10666164

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RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:04

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 21:44

What does south of the ocean thinking mean?

It’s the thinking associated with that area. Common expression. Generally means victim mentality.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/12/2025 22:06

I make no apologies for reporting a post I felt was racist. MN clearly agreed it was unacceptable.

I do love the idea that NobleGiraffe has been on here for over a decade chatting about maths teaching as a cover. I’m not sure what it is a cover for tho. Is she supposed to be an Israeli agent?

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 22:07

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:04

It’s the thinking associated with that area. Common expression. Generally means victim mentality.

Not that I trust your geographical expertise but which area?

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/12/2025 22:07

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:04

It’s the thinking associated with that area. Common expression. Generally means victim mentality.

What area? Which ocean are you talking about?

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:09

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/12/2025 22:06

I make no apologies for reporting a post I felt was racist. MN clearly agreed it was unacceptable.

I do love the idea that NobleGiraffe has been on here for over a decade chatting about maths teaching as a cover. I’m not sure what it is a cover for tho. Is she supposed to be an Israeli agent?

It’s fine, it’s quite amusing really.

It sounds like yes she’s a deep cover Israeli asset.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/12/2025 22:13

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 21:44

What does south of the ocean thinking mean?

"east side of the sea", "south of the ocean thinking" - anybody else wondering what these phrases mean?

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:13

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/12/2025 22:07

What area? Which ocean are you talking about?

Arctic, which other ocean would it be? This is exactly the behaviour I’m talking about.

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 22:14

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:13

Arctic, which other ocean would it be? This is exactly the behaviour I’m talking about.

Haven’t a scooby what you mean 🤷🏻‍♀️

PinkFootstool · 13/12/2025 22:14

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:13

Arctic, which other ocean would it be? This is exactly the behaviour I’m talking about.

What the actual fuck is everyone on about?

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:15

PinkFootstool · 13/12/2025 22:14

What the actual fuck is everyone on about?

I’m thoroughly confused now,

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 22:15

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/12/2025 22:13

"east side of the sea", "south of the ocean thinking" - anybody else wondering what these phrases mean?

Well someone thought Ireland was to the east of Great Britain (I know 🤣) but as for the other one who knows?

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 22:16

PinkFootstool · 13/12/2025 22:14

What the actual fuck is everyone on about?

Indeed

JaneJeffer · 13/12/2025 22:18

Ahem

Raquelos · 13/12/2025 22:45

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 17:17

I mean so much of it doesn’t ring true.

One is a type 1 diabetic, I’m also a t1, if he really was starving himself and being withheld meds as Sultana claims (I mean there are 1000 sensible reasons to deny an inmate needles and a fatal-in-small-doses medicine but let’s overlook those), he would very likely be dead after 2 weeks, let alone 4. If I stopped eating and stopped taking insulin I really would have about a week to live I think, if I wasn’t in a coma and very close to death.

I cannot emphasise just how lethal a combination of type 1 diabetes and not eating is, I know for sure he must be eating because if he wasn’t he would no longer be on this earth frankly.

Edited

Yeah one of them is diabetic, he is the one on the partial (alternate days) hunger strike apparently. The rest of them are on continuous hunger strike and have been for a while, hence being at the point of hospitalisation.

RadialEffergy · 13/12/2025 22:49

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/12/2025 22:13

"east side of the sea", "south of the ocean thinking" - anybody else wondering what these phrases mean?

East side of the sea/west Brit is a slightly derogatory term for an Irish person who lives in the U.K. or has become Anglesiced in their views. South of the Ocean thinking is victim mentality/chip on your shoulder associated with Scotland. East Sea is a biblical term for the Dead Sea. Nesh means someone who feels the cold easily.