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Always Appeal PCN (Council Parking Tickets)

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mixedfeeding · 18/11/2024 11:36

Life is expensive enough, without the council fleecing us as well.

PCNs are parking tickets issued by the council typically. Or agents on behalf.

Many are invalid. It's cost prohibitive for councils to take losing cases to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal (these are trained independent lawyers), councils know this, they don't want to look stupid in public, so they may not even bother to present a case to the tribunal. They're looking for easy collection of money, and I'll only pay up if the TPT say so! Same way we wouldn't plead guilty to anything else we didn't do.

First don't worry about the 14 day discount to £35 - remember you're the innocent party, no contravention occurred.

Use Chat GPT to generate a Subject access request letter. Get all photos, specify originals including metadata.

Common reasons tickets are invalid, no contravention occurred.

  • Faded double yellow lines, not visible.
  • Zero second duration 9:21 - 9:21 means the same as 9:21:00 - 9:21:00 therefore a zero second duration is not a valid Observations Period.
  • Photos have different times to the PCN. Photos 5 mins before the time on the ticket are invalid. Likewise 5 mins after.
  • Invalid duration period, 15 mins is hard to challenge, under 10 is insufficient observation (enforcement officer must demonstrate no Unloading)

Write to the chief executive if you only get fobbed off by parking staff. Be polite, it always works. Be reasonable, and do keep going back if there are dishonest statements (that is statements that are not evidenced, ie just their admin staff opinions) made by council staff, even after their "final decision letter", the chief executive will always reply (see CEO Email COM) to look up and send a polite letter.

Ask the council DPO if they're a registered Solicitor. Most aren't legally qualified, so then we see they lack credibility and competency in their position.

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drowninginsick · 18/11/2024 12:52

Erm... some of this is wrong you know. Where did you get your info. Also have you considered just.... parking normally lol

Moonlightstars · 18/11/2024 12:54

Alternatively don't park like a dick.

I do agree sometimes a signage is terrible and that should be flagged but things like the five minute thing is entirely your own fault for being an idiot and parking badly

SoupDragon · 18/11/2024 13:02

remember you're the innocent party, no contravention occurred.

Except, of course, when it did.

Alternatively don't park like a dick.

This.

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Stretchedresources · 18/11/2024 13:04

Can ChatGPT even park a car?

herecomesautumn · 18/11/2024 13:18

I'm happy for councils to make money from dick parkers.

If you don't want a ticket, park legally 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2024 13:21

Was this written by one of those auto drive Teslas?

mixedfeeding · 19/11/2024 15:08

Had quick scan of the replies, where have all the informed people gone?

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Bjorkdidit · 19/11/2024 15:13

People probably didn't want to have a conversation with nonsense written by ChatGPT.

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 15:16

mixedfeeding · 19/11/2024 15:08

Had quick scan of the replies, where have all the informed people gone?

Maybe to post of threads started by humans?

mixedfeeding · 20/11/2024 13:47

Bjorkdidit · 19/11/2024 15:13

People probably didn't want to have a conversation with nonsense written by ChatGPT.

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SoupDragon · 20/11/2024 16:56

Perhaps it's because a) it's nonsense and b) they looked at your short and frankly weird posting history.

mixedfeeding · 28/11/2024 13:21

SoupDragon · 20/11/2024 16:56

Perhaps it's because a) it's nonsense and b) they looked at your short and frankly weird posting history.

you sound petulant

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