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I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached

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OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:11

I need your eyes again! This time it's a 230 year old sampler. These were very very commonplace back then -young girls generally did them

This one is partially completed and tricky to decipher. Any help? Does anyone know if it's a saying / poem/ verse from back then? From the limited words you can see

It was done by a ?Bent and it's called 'On Ambition'

I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached
I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached
I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached
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OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:13

You will need to zoom in and squint!

Top line ? ? ? we cannot be the cheat

???? to be great

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reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:19

Aha! Hello again!

Blimey. This is a tough one... we might need x-ray specs!

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:21

@reddingweddy hello! Next time I'll set up an ongoing thread in history so everyone who's interested can add bits to it

And yep this is tough and the only way to crack it is to maybe know the verse or whatever it is

She's silk embroidered all the flowers but not the words, they're just pencilled in

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reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:24

The first bit ends "we cannot see the Cheat" although it might not be cheat. The s of see is the old fashioned s that looks like an f.

reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:25

Second line ends "silence to be Great"?

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:27

Third line ..

'When wild ambition in ?? we find'

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reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:29

Just a guess but maybe "in our heart" is the missing bit of the third line?

purpledalmation · 11/02/2023 21:30

When (?) … we cannot be the cheat
When things… the confidence to be great
When wild ambition … we find
.content and … our mind (?)
…
…return no…

bit too near bedtime!

reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:30

Am googling the verse but no luck yet

reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:31

Last line, "happiness return no more"?

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:31

No, I can't find it either

These female virtue type samplers were all the rage back then.

Dunno if ambition would be considered a female virtue though? Not to folk in the 18th century

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userlotsanumbers · 11/02/2023 21:33
  1. ...we cannot be the Cheat
  2. Of.....confidence to be Great 3)When wild ambition in .....we find 4)...we the fond...
  3. ...returns no...

all I got

PermanentTemporary · 11/02/2023 21:34

Ambition was considered a bad thing, especially in girls, wasn't it?

I'm racking my brains, I know that an old fashioned book for girls I read had something about how bad ambition was. Possibly Laura Ingalls Wilder.

AntoinetteSatterwhite · 11/02/2023 21:35

Is it the same verse as in this sampler?

justajoy.com/cgi-bin/Display_Item.asp?ID=3595

Verse entitled 'On Ambition' reads 'Dazzled with Hope we cannot fee the Cheat> Of aiming with Impatience to be great> When wild Ambition in the Heart we find> Farewel Content and Quiet of the Mind> For glittring Clouds we leave the folid Shore> And wonted Happinefs returns no more' and 'This Work in hands my Friends may have> When I am Dead and laid in Grave'.

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:36

@PermanentTemporary yes. It wouldn't have been considered a female virtue back then so it's quite surprising that this sampler is 'on ambition'

Unless it's all about how being ambitious is a very bad thing for a young girl to have! That would make sense

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userlotsanumbers · 11/02/2023 21:37

AntoinetteSatterwhite · 11/02/2023 21:35

Is it the same verse as in this sampler?

justajoy.com/cgi-bin/Display_Item.asp?ID=3595

Verse entitled 'On Ambition' reads 'Dazzled with Hope we cannot fee the Cheat> Of aiming with Impatience to be great> When wild Ambition in the Heart we find> Farewel Content and Quiet of the Mind> For glittring Clouds we leave the folid Shore> And wonted Happinefs returns no more' and 'This Work in hands my Friends may have> When I am Dead and laid in Grave'.

Oooh , I reckon you have found it

Sunbird24 · 11/02/2023 21:37

@AntoinetteSatterwhite has it - yes, ambition is being described as a barrier to contentment in this verse

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:37

@AntoinetteSatterwhite YOU HAVE GOT IT!

How on earth did you find that? You're so clever. Thanks

Amazing!

Now to work out what it means. Ambition is a bad thing?

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reddingweddy · 11/02/2023 21:37

AntoinetteSatterwhite · 11/02/2023 21:35

Is it the same verse as in this sampler?

justajoy.com/cgi-bin/Display_Item.asp?ID=3595

Verse entitled 'On Ambition' reads 'Dazzled with Hope we cannot fee the Cheat> Of aiming with Impatience to be great> When wild Ambition in the Heart we find> Farewel Content and Quiet of the Mind> For glittring Clouds we leave the folid Shore> And wonted Happinefs returns no more' and 'This Work in hands my Friends may have> When I am Dead and laid in Grave'.

I think we have a winner!

Sunbird24 · 11/02/2023 21:39

Kind of a warning to be content with your lot in life

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 11/02/2023 21:39

ambition in the virtue sense was considered bad for Girls more likely to be in the vein of ambition is striving against God's plan and to quote " But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith be content." I Timothy 6 etc
think the word under wild ambition is contentment I tried googling ode to ambirtion but got nothing like that

OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:39

What a shame we just can't see her name

Oh hang on

It's Elizabeth??

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OldTrot · 11/02/2023 21:41

See pic . Same amount of letters and I'm sure I can see a Z

I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached
I have a sampler from 1796 to decipher. Old Trot calling the history buffs! Pic attached
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Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 11/02/2023 21:41

i see it was found while i was writing, yes irt means basically ambition is a bad thing!!!! so be content with what you have got

TheSilveryPussycat · 11/02/2023 21:42

Obviously her ambition to complete the sampler was never fulfilled!