Mr Menno examines Hunter Schafer and passing

"Sick hateful transwomen". Sure, no transphobia here.

Thanks @mardirousse will watch and listen this morning. I also love Menno’s work. Really enjoyed his recent two parter with Aku Reindorf. He is a good man.

What you wrote was a perfectly clear reference just to the subset of transwomen who are both sick and hateful.

Similarly, "I'm tired of engaging with misogynistic commenters on mumsnet" doesn't imply that all mumsnet commenters are misogynistic.

I love Menno, but it is worth remembering that his background is in entertainment. He is a compelling storyteller but to my knowledge not a journalist.

In this situation it is worth applying some caution to exposés like this from anyone who isn’t held to professional journalistic standards. This means that he doesn’t have to provide balance, or apply proper research methods. So these videos are fine but better viewed more as well-intentioned gossip than reality.

Those comments from Hunter about how he applied misogynistic beliefs to himself are so sad. He's obviously had a difficult childhood.
I remember reading somewhere that traditional "trans" roles like fa'afafine etc are more common in cultures that treat GNC men particularly harshly. The American South fits that bill.

I agree these pieces will be hard to come across- which is why people like Menno step into the space.

I can’t hate Schafer despite his deeply held misogynistic and misandrist views. He was clearly let down and then used by some adults pushing an agenda for personal clout. He is going to end being a victim of what appears to be medicalised homophobia as that other guy was.

It is interesting that without the makeup and filters his face and his stance is clearly male-even with the hair and the breasts.

Thank you for sharing. A beautifully clear video.

I feel sorry for Hunter because it seems that he grew up in an environment that couldn't accept him as he was. He is unhappy and I think he's realising that the path he's chosen is not going to make him happy.

At the same time I don't want him in my spaces, no matter his looks. There's something very male about his facial expressions that surgery hasn't changed. It looks like repressed anger, there's something scary about him.

One can come to the conclusion that trans activism (not trans people) is a sick, unfair, homophobic, misogynist ideology that could only be born in a sick, unfair, homophobic, misogynist and capitalist society purely from reading and hearing the words of trans people themselves.

Forget women's rights for a moment (jokes obvs, as if WR aren't constantly being forgotten by everyone with power) "passing" is an unbelievably cruel concept. The only way to come even a quarter of the way there is to utterly butcher yourself ($$$) ideally before your brain and sexual function are able to mature.

I can compare 2 transwomen I know. One is naturally beautiful and petite, no surgery or hormones, I actually love his style as it really suits him. The other is the absolute opposite, yet has had bottom surgery and hormones. Neither pass but I bet that many would tell the first he passes, because he looks so good. The second looks alarming. But he's arguably the more commited and less of a threat due to having no penis. It's not his fault he's got the size and physique of many other men his age.

Imagine trans activism had argued for genuine acceptance and inclusion all along: ie for men to welcome and accept transwomen in their spaces and make sure they don't feel threatened..... In the same way that boys over 8, weedy men, fat men, gay men and any multitude of other men who deviate from the masculine stereotype are able to continue to use male spaces.

I’ve not watched his videos before, he’s clear and I like Germaine Greer’s clarity too.

And that guy talking about teens on puberty blockers, too creepy for words.

God, that is absolutely tragic.

He became aroused and attracted to misogyny, and like a lot of these men, only felt validated if he was abused. He even went as far as wanting to be consumed by men, almost literally, with drawings of teeth and mouths.

He said he can't feel like a real woman until he's raped. Ffs.

And then bizarrely says that the reason he wanted to be a woman is because he didn't like the things that men did, macho stuff.

And his parents saying they were worried he liked girly things, and God made you as you are, so, obviously, homosexuality was definitely off the fucking table.

Now he's being feted and held up as a beauty, sought after by porn addled men.

He can't perform sex, he wants his penis cut off, and, I was absolutely gobsmacked that he's 28. He sounded like a 15-year-old kid.

And as Menno pointed out, his desire to flee the macho world of maleness has resulted in his embodiment of male domination, claiming that to feel like a woman he needs to be abused and raped.

It's all so fucked up.

A 28-year-old man completely stunted in his mental and physical development using misogyny and misandry as his only currency.

I fucking hate this ideology.

Yes keeping children in a just pubescent state is 'beautiful'.

Ugh.

That why it is best not to dissemble to obfuscate reality. Lying can be dangerous, and put women in danger. Some men can be sick and hateful towards women. Best not to pretend any of these men are women, because that would just mendaciously be adding insult to injury.

Although many women have a toxic empathy, so prioritise men over the interests of women, thankfully many are becoming aware of how we need to stand up to the assaults on the rights of women and girls.

I know many women did engage (and obviously still do) in abuses against women and girls in the past. Think the nuns who guarded the women in the Magdalen laundries, and mother and baby homes. Women who were against that would have been classed as bad women too. Says more about those trying to frame women who resist abuses as bad. Plus ca change… .

He and others like him are culpable. Schafer is being used by some money making media and entertainment men and women.

HS had some troubling views as a teen, and may be happy with his costume idk but adults around him made it possible with drugs and encouragement. Or what Menno calls it (not sure what can be said about that on here).

I agree. His exploitation is palpable.

Imagine trans activism had argued for genuine acceptance and inclusion all along: ie for men to welcome and accept transwomen in their spaces and make sure they don't feel threatened..... In the same way that boys over 8, weedy men, fat men, gay men and any multitude of other men who deviate from the masculine stereotype are able to continue to use male spaces.

They have never needed to argue for acceptance and inclusion by men of 'trans women' as there has never been an issue - the concept that 'trans women' are not safe or welcome in gents' changing rooms and loos is a lie manufactured as an excuse for men to invade women's spaces...

men have zero interest in other men in their spaces - they go in to pee / change / whatever and then leave - the key rule anyway is that you don't look others in the eye, so if bloke in a dress comes into pee - crack on!

She didn't call ALL transwomen that. Or do you think every single one is a perfect baby angel?

He's huge in real life too. Very tall and broad-shouldered.

And before anyone starts, yes I know women can be tall and broad-shouldered. There's still a difference between them and a tall man, though.

It's interesting how we can discern sex just from the shoulders. I was driving on a motorway the other day behind someone on a motorcycle and despite not being able to see the face or hands, could tell that it was a woman. And lo and behold, when we overtook the motorcycle, it was clearly a female rider. And that wasn't even with her being near a male rider to judge proportion or height.

Ugh, that guy Menno is such a creep.

Hunter S has done nothing whatsoever to anyone, and 'examining' her is...yeah, creepy as hell. When cis men do this to any woman, believe them the first time.

Nah, think you are getting confused. Mr Menno is a straight talking Dutchie who is not afraid to speak truth about this new reincarnation of misogyny and homophobia.

Maybe you are thinking of the array of liars who are pretending that people change sex (and this lie has no impact), and that same sex attraction is sexual racism.

ETA: and if we are getting into making your skin crawl territory, I think the stuff about attraction to misogyny and human flesh tasting would get the prize here. It is obvious where the creepiness lies.

I thought it was quite a compassionate video. Considering Hunter's views on womanhood it would have been easy to put together a damning piece. I watched the whole video and came out feeling sorry for Hunter.

Oh, spare us the crocodile tears